Are there still liberal Mormons?

[Marcus]

I suppose that says more about you than it does about me.

Regards,
MG

It says quite a bit about people who can’t keep their own stories straight. I’d love to read what you think it says about me.

If it bothers you, let it go, MG.

[MG 2.0]

What were the issues that made him question his faith?

He wouldn’t say. It was, and I quote, “too personal.”

- Doc

I wonder if you might quote what I said in context.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Liberal or conservative, I think it’s difficult be an intellectual and a Mormon. No, I don’t consider myself an intellectual. But I don’t think that those who enjoy any kind of ‘life of the mind’ fare well in mormondom.

From my perspective I don’t think the Church allows much wriggle room on either subject. If being liberal means supporting the idea that gay people should be allowed all the same opportunities as straight people, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that women should be allowed all the same opportunities as men, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that the Book of Mormon is fiction, then your view isn’t welcome at Church.

Voicing such views and opinions will get you shunned, will get your temple recommend withdrawn, could even get you excommunicated (more so now that Oaks is trying to drive the numbers up).

There definitely are still liberal Mormons. But when in Church I’ve found they will keep their thoughts to themselves.

[MG 2.0]

He wouldn’t say. It was, and I quote, “too personal.”

- Doc

I wonder if you might quote what I said in context.

Regards,
MG

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[MG 2.0]

Liberal or conservative, I think it’s difficult be an intellectual and a Mormon. No, I don’t consider myself an intellectual. But I don’t think that those who enjoy any kind of ‘life of the mind’ fare well in mormondom.

From my perspective I don’t think the Church allows much wriggle room on either subject. If being liberal means supporting the idea that gay people should be allowed all the same opportunities as straight people, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that women should be allowed all the same opportunities as men, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that the Book of Mormon is fiction, then your view isn’t welcome at Church.

Voicing such views and opinions will get you shunned, will get your temple recommend withdrawn, could even get you excommunicated (more so now that Oaks is trying to drive the numbers up).

There definitely are still liberal Mormons. But when in Church I’ve found they will keep their thoughts to themselves.

If by liberal you literally mean those who think for themselves (life of the mind) while listening/harkening and walking in obedience to the voice of their leaders, then I think you would find there are more ‘liberals’ than you think.

The list I posted earlier was mainly those types of liberal Mormons. I’m one of them.

Now if you’re talking about apostates in sheep’s clothing, I can’t speak to that. They’re in disguise.

But remember, there is a difference between those who may hold heretical beliefs (Heartland and/or Meso American theory for example) and yet believe in the core doctrines of the church (temple recommend questions), and those that just plain don’t believe and make it a point to bring/push others along into disbelief in the core mission(s) and doctrines of the church.

Being a liberal Mormon is fine. In fact, I think it’s cool with God. He gave us a brain.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

From my perspective I don’t think the Church allows much wriggle room on either subject. If being liberal means supporting the idea that gay people should be allowed all the same opportunities as straight people, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that women should be allowed all the same opportunities as men, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that the Book of Mormon is fiction, then your view isn’t welcome at Church.

Voicing such views and opinions will get you shunned, will get your temple recommend withdrawn, could even get you excommunicated (more so now that Oaks is trying to drive the numbers up).

There definitely are still liberal Mormons. But when in Church I’ve found they will keep their thoughts to themselves.

If by liberal you literally mean those who think for themselves (life of the mind) while listening/harkening and walking in obedience to the voice of their leaders, then I think you would find there are more ‘liberals’ than you think.

That’s an oxymoron.

The list I posted earlier was mainly those types of liberal Mormons. I’m one of them.

From what I’ve observed of your views and opinions and what you’ve said about your behaviours, I wouldn’t describe you as a liberal in the context you’ve used above.

Now if you’re talking about apostates in sheep’s clothing, I can’t speak to that. They’re in disguise.

I’m talking about members who think same sex marriage should be allowed, Who think it’s okay to have a nose piercing, who are relaxed about an unmarried man and a woman cohabiting. Etc.

But remember, there is a difference between those who may hold heretical beliefs (Heartland and/or Meso American theory for example) and yet believe in the core doctrines of the church (temple recommend questions), and those that just plain don’t believe and make it a point to bring/push others along into disbelief in the core mission(s) and doctrines of the church.

Being a liberal Mormon is fine. In fact, I think it’s cool with God. He gave us a brain.

Regards,
MG

I see no compelling evidence to support the description of you as a liberal. In any sense of the word.

[MG 2.0]

If by liberal you literally mean those who think for themselves (life of the mind) while listening/harkening and walking in obedience to the voice of their leaders, then I think you would find there are more ‘liberals’ than you think.

That’s an oxymoron.

No. I don’t think it is. You don’t get to define liberal.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

From what I’ve observed of your views and opinions and what you’ve said about your behaviours, I wouldn’t describe you as a liberal in the context you’ve used above.

It doesn’t matter how you see it. I know who I am. You don’t.

A liberal can be an active and believing member of the church.

Hey, if it’s of any consequence, I’m joining Jeff Flake (active LDS) from Arizona and voting for Kamala.

As I said, you don’t get to define ‘liberal’.

The frustrating thing here is to be OVERLY diagnosed as being one thing or another. It’s enough to drive one bananas.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I’m talking about members who think same sex marriage should be allowed, Who think it’s okay to have a nose piercing, who are relaxed about an unmarried man and a woman cohabiting. Etc.

I see no compelling evidence to support the description of you as a liberal. In any sense of the word.

Again, you don’t get to define words according to your preferences.

I think same sex marriage should be allowed. One of our kids is in a same sex marriage. We have a grandchild with piercings. Two of my brothers have lived with a woman without being married.

To each his or her own.

So does that make me liberal enough FOR YOU?

You guys and your prescriptive therapy and judgment. It seems to be built into your DNA.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Liberal or conservative, I think it’s difficult be an intellectual and a Mormon. No, I don’t consider myself an intellectual. But I don’t think that those who enjoy any kind of ‘life of the mind’ fare well in mormondom.

From my perspective I don’t think the Church allows much wriggle room on either subject. If being liberal means supporting the idea that gay people should be allowed all the same opportunities as straight people, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that women should be allowed all the same opportunities as men, then your view isn’t welcome at Church. If your view is that the Book of Mormon is fiction, then your view isn’t welcome at Church.

Voicing such views and opinions will get you shunned, will get your temple recommend withdrawn, could even get you excommunicated (more so now that Oaks is trying to drive the numbers up).

There definitely are still liberal Mormons. But when in Church I’ve found they will keep their thoughts to themselves.

Oh, so this is how YOU define liberal. Those views you’re listing having to do with Priesthood and the Scriptural Canon would be heretical.

Are you saying that one must be a heretic in order to be a liberal? If so, I disagree.

An actively ‘preaching’ heretic is a danger to the church. An active liberal is not.

Regards,
MG