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Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:52 pm
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Well, he’s definitely a sociopath. The regular slurring of words coupled with something called phonemic paraphasia, where he swaps out words or syllables when attempting to say a particular thing, is for me the biggest tell. In fact, he probably has aphasia, since he can’t read for crap, hence he has to riff all the time. The other thing that stands out foe me is how he regularly loses touch with reality. Whether or not that’s a result of lying so much or mental decline is essentially one and the same for me.

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He has NPD. I'm not entirely sure I'd go with sociopathy or psychopathy because people with NPD (he's off the charts) can appear indifferent and unconcerned with the needs of others. They're interest in others is limited to how others can be used to "feed" them, In other words provide supply.

About the reading. I do agree with the Shrinking Trump doctors with regard to to his phonemic paraphasia and how he fizzles out and slurs while speaking but...one thing I've never heard them cover and this fits with what you said about his not being able to read for crap (true) is that he might be dyslexic. It could be aphasia but I haven't heard one commentor consider that he's dyslexic and I think that's absolutely on the table. I say subjectively based on the fact that I see in him traits of folks I know and have worked with who have dyslexia so take it for what it's worth.

One thing that's become clear to me is how commentors jump right to the "big" diagnoses that set off alarms or a sense of satisfaction in those who oppose a candidate and overlook a simpler and more relatable explanation such as dyslexia, thus magnifying that sense of "the other".
There seem to be some very specific issues to look for in dementia that I didn't even know had names, such as "phonemic paraphasia, tangential speech, forgetting and combining people, semantic aphasia," but the dyslexia would have been ongoing, right?

I imagine dyslexia would explain a lot of his teleprompter issues.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:50 pm
To be clear, if a person believes they are another gender, and they want to get operations to live out that identity more fully, I support their right to do so 100%, and I will gladly treat them as they want to be treated, but public funding of the transition surgeries of non-citizens who come to this country should be a very low priority, if it even qualifies as one.
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Not challenging you - just asking: Does age matter or is this your position period?
I believe that the age of majority vs. age of minority makes a big difference. In other words, parental consent for a minor to go through any such treatment must be a requirement, in my view. I am struck by the problematic nature of the reasoning that allows the young person who cannot vote, fight in the military, drink alcohol, or even drive to get such treatment without parental consent. Now, I would hope, speaking for myself, that most people would agree, but I am worried that some do not. I am concerned that the parent who would not allow a child to go through such treatment would be assumed to be abusive or might even pursued legally or otherwise by the state on the grounds that they are being abusive to the child by not consenting.

This is one of those tricky issues that has no easy solution. There are people who have an absolute conviction that their body does not match their sense of who they are. There are young people who have such a conviction. To forbid treatment would not be right. To throw out parental rights would be dangerous (because where else might they be chucked out?). I am all for choice here, and I am all for parental consent. Children cannot be treated as adults. It is unfortunate that these clumsy rules will result in suffering, and I have no doubt they will. The alternatives, however, are conceivably much worse.
Kish, to the question of what is allowed where, the following resource is a good read:

https://www.kff.org/other/dashboard/gen ... y-tracker/

This lists details about allowable gender affirming care by state.

To my knowledge, there is no state that allows a minor to proceed with gender reassignment surgery without parental consent.
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:29 pm
What's an app?
“They have a phone app so that people can come into our country… these are smart immigrants, I guess, because most people don’t have any idea what the hell a phone app is,”
9/28/24
Fun fact: The CPB app ("CPB One") was rolled out in October of 2020. I wonder if Trump remembers who was President then?

Oh wait, I think I know that answer of whether he remembers who was President in 2020:
“In addition, through her phone app, something totally new now, it’s a phone app for migrants, where migrants call in. She’s allowed them to press a button and schedule an appointment to be released into the interior of our county.”
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canpakes wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:01 pm
Kish, to the question of what is allowed where, the following resource is a good read:

https://www.kff.org/other/dashboard/gen ... y-tracker/

This lists details about allowable gender affirming care by state.

To my knowledge, there is no state that allows a minor to proceed with gender reassignment surgery without parental consent.
Thanks, canpakes. To fill in the details of my view, I do not believe that there is some kind of epidemic of reassignment surgery in the US such that the apparent hysteria about it would seem justified. The numbers of people getting such treatment is relatively small, and the process (vetting) for getting such care is far from negligible. That said, I am really taken aback by the number of kids I have personally known well seeking such care. I find it surprising that I run into many young women, especially, seeking to live the life of men. I am guessing that this is a statistical anomaly that demands explanation. I don’t think my perception is out of line with the data trends. What is going on?

Thank you for the information on consent. I did not think such treatment did not require consent. I have heard, however, people with views I find extreme saying that consent should not be required.
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By the way, let me also add that I love my trans students. They have been some of my best and most beloved students, and I accept them for who they want to be and are.
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:53 pm
Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:52 pm


He has NPD. I'm not entirely sure I'd go with sociopathy or psychopathy because people with NPD (he's off the charts) can appear indifferent and unconcerned with the needs of others. They're interest in others is limited to how others can be used to "feed" them, In other words provide supply.

About the reading. I do agree with the Shrinking Trump doctors with regard to to his phonemic paraphasia and how he fizzles out and slurs while speaking but...one thing I've never heard them cover and this fits with what you said about his not being able to read for crap (true) is that he might be dyslexic. It could be aphasia but I haven't heard one commentor consider that he's dyslexic and I think that's absolutely on the table. I say subjectively based on the fact that I see in him traits of folks I know and have worked with who have dyslexia so take it for what it's worth.

One thing that's become clear to me is how commentors jump right to the "big" diagnoses that set off alarms or a sense of satisfaction in those who oppose a candidate and overlook a simpler and more relatable explanation such as dyslexia, thus magnifying that sense of "the other".
There seem to be some very specific issues to look for in dementia that I didn't even know had names, such as "phonemic paraphasia, tangential speech, forgetting and combining people, semantic aphasia,"
Yes! It's fascinating, isn't it?
but the dyslexia would have been ongoing, right?
Resounding yes to that.
I imagine dyslexia would explain a lot of his teleprompter issues.
My point exactly. I don't know where I've ever seen him reading off the teleprompter before running for President but it'd be interesting if we could find an example. Maybe the pagents? I wouldn't know. Never watched them. Also I recall his staff saying that he typically skipped reading the daily reports. So is that laziness? Disinterest? Possible sign of avoidance due to dyslexia? Could that explain why he prefers to wing it in front of a mic?

I was asked to view an interview he did on FOX so I agreed. When he spoke there you see another side of him. Not completely different nor without the lies and his distortions, but his speech was fluent there. He wasn't combative and the interviewer (whom I actually detest) allowed him plenty of time to answer without interruption, so it was more tolerable for me to watch than one of his rallie speeches.

It put me in mind of how the press dug into the Biden cognitive issue when Trump obviously presents traits of cognitive decline himself. Put both of them in a non-intense situation (Trump on Fox or Biden on a recent The View show) and they're both fluent speakers.

Sometimes I think I actually see a totally different Trump, the one he could have been had his development not been interrupted and damanged by early childhood and later, paternal influence throughout his youth and adulthood. What a damn shame is all I can say.

Anyway just wanted to throw dyslexia on the pile of possibilities and regardless if he has a learning disorder or not, nothing can change his NPD nor the potential impact it has and will have on us both domestic and internationally. He's simply not fit for the position. Period.
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The other side of Trump you’re seeing, I suspect, is the one that’s on some sort of amphetamine. Or was he totally straight and lucid, iyo?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:40 am
The other side of Trump you’re seeing, I suspect, is the one that’s on some sort of amphetamine. Or was he totally straight and lucid, iyo?

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This that I said?
I was asked to view an interview he did on FOX so I agreed. When he spoke there you see another side of him. Not completely different nor without the lies and his distortions, but his speech was fluent there. He wasn't combative and the interviewer (whom I actually detest) allowed him plenty of time to answer without interruption, so it was more tolerable for me to watch than one of his rallie speeches.
If it's that, no not at all. He was relaxed. Not bloviating. Not blustering. Not posturing. Not on the offense. Not obnoxious like you see him at rallies. He simply answered the questions. I think it had everything to do with the interviewer and the casual way he posed questions. Some of the FOX whatever you call them, look like they're totally trying to provoke him with BS. This was Greg Gutfeld whom I usually loathe and despise when I do see him, he himself behaved differently than I've seen him before.

Be clear I don't watch FOX. I do see bits of it on the television here. Those bits that I do see make me sick. One of the reasons I've cut WAY back on watching or reading anything political in nature. I don't need help feeling sick right now so I put myself in a little bubble.
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Is it cognitive decline, or is he just uneducated and illiterate? This is the guy who said that the Continental Army “took over the airports” from the British during the American Revolutionary War in 1770 and thought that Frederick Douglass was still alive. He has the intellect and vocabulary of a fourth grader.
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