Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 pm
"God is a fish in water."

"Elohim swims in the ocean as a fish."

"The fish of the sea swims."

"In the ocean wide, the Spirit moves and dwells."

All of these sentences express the same basic idea.
If I came across a sentence I needed to translate and I understood the idea, I could pick from any one of those already written descriptions and use it to express the idea contained.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that the book copies content (exactly) from a book produced 1,348 years later than it was written.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:01 pm
Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 pm
"God is a fish in water."

"Elohim swims in the ocean as a fish."

"The fish of the sea swims."

"In the ocean wide, the Spirit moves and dwells."

All of these sentences express the same basic idea.
If I came across a sentence I needed to translate and I understood the idea, I could pick from any one of those already written descriptions and use it to express the idea contained.
That’s not the issue. The issue is that the book copies content (exactly) from a book produced 1,348 years later than it was written.
No, the book doesn't. Joseph Smith used words from a book available to him to express an idea in the book he was translating.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Book is a weird word.
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Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:01 pm
That’s not the issue. The issue is that the book copies content (exactly) from a book produced 1,348 years later than it was written.
No, the book doesn't. Joseph Smith used words from a book available to him to express an idea in the book he was translating.
So, he didn't read the words off a rock?
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Marcus wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:54 pm
Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm


No, the book doesn't. Joseph Smith used words from a book available to him to express an idea in the book he was translating.
So, he didn't read the words off a rock?
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Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:01 pm
That’s not the issue. The issue is that the book copies content (exactly) from a book produced 1,348 years later than it was written.
No, the book doesn't. Joseph Smith used words from a book available to him to express an idea in the book he was translating.
You’re aware the Church does not subscribe to that idea? But regardless, if that is what he did (and he didn’t use “words” from the KJV Bible, he used whole chunks) The Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 pm
"God is a fish in water."

"Elohim swims in the ocean as a fish."

"The fish of the sea swims."

"In the ocean wide, the Spirit moves and dwells."

All of these sentences express the same basic idea.

No, they don’t.

Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 5:43 pm

If I came across a sentence I needed to translate and I understood the idea, I could pick from any one of those already written descriptions and use it to express the idea contained.

No, you couldn’t.
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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Morley wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:38 pm


No, you couldn’t.
Morley, you are probably right about this.

Hey Morley, you sometime present an artist who is outside of my familiarity. Mr Herbin is someone I am unfamiliar with . I find the portrait not quite to my liking but was curious and checked google. I find a bunch of later colorful abstract work which I definitely like. Of course the general style is very familiar but these works are new to me and a happy addition.

Thanks.
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huckelberry wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2024 12:59 am
Morley wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 9:38 pm


No, you couldn’t.
Morley, you are probably right about this.

Hey Morley, you sometime present an artist who is outside of my familiarity. Mr Herbin is someone I am unfamiliar with . I find the portrait not quite to my liking but was curious and checked google. I find a bunch of later colorful abstract work which I definitely like. Of course the general style is very familiar but these works are new to me and a happy addition.

Thanks.
I like the colors in the abstracts, but I’m really digging the landscapes. Thanks!
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Re: Is the Book of Mormon Divinely Inspired?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 7:17 pm
Valo wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:46 pm


No, the book doesn't. Joseph Smith used words from a book available to him to express an idea in the book he was translating.
You’re aware the Church does not subscribe to that idea? But regardless, if that is what he did (and he didn’t use “words” from the KJV Bible, he used whole chunks) The Book of Mormon is not what it claims to be.
It's not what the LDS Church claims it to be I agree. It's not s record of people's in the Americas but a record of people's living on the British Isles.

Most of it is legitimate, portions, like 3 Nephi, are corrupted. It requires a nuanced approach.
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