When treating people with respect is just too difficult for some.

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Marcus wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:21 am
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Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well...
No, I don't think so. Having a deeply held conviction is fine, but imposing one's deeply held conviction on another person in a way that openly and specifically disrespects that other person, as the post quoted in the OP does, does NOT deserve respect.
I think that could be argued either way.
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msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:26 am
Marcus wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:21 am

No, I don't think so. Having a deeply held conviction is fine, but imposing one's deeply held conviction on another person in a way that openly and specifically disrespects that other person, as the post quoted in the OP does, does NOT deserve respect.
I think that could be argued either way.
I disagree. Calling a person by their requested name or pronoun is in no way equivalent to the extreme situation in your example. I think that type of argument was recently referred to as the fallacy of a 'false equivalency.'
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:26 am
msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well. Just sayin’. :roll:

A couple of years ago, a patient legally changed her name to ___ Jesus. I never had to call her by name after the name change, but had thought I would not call her by her new full two-word name as I felt I’d be using Jesus’ name in vain. My thoughts were to just use the new first name without the Jesus part. Perhaps that would be a compromise that would be respectful for the both of us.
What do you call the thousands of Latino men named Jesus? Or what about “Body of Christ, Texas.”

Wasn’t his name in his native language a common one?

Do you really think Jesus would somehow be offended at you for using a patient’s legal name?
I’ve never heard of Body of Christ, Texas.

Perhaps. This was at a time when this person was also rebelling against policies that were in place to protect patients and employees from illness, and serially coming in with no other purpose than to exert her will.
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msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:42 am
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:26 am
What do you call the thousands of Latino men named Jesus? Or what about “Body of Christ, Texas.”

Wasn’t his name in his native language a common one?

Do you really think Jesus would somehow be offended at you for using a patient’s legal name?
I’ve never heard of Body of Christ, Texas.

Perhaps. This was at a time when this person was also rebelling against policies that were in place to protect patients and employees from illness, and serially coming in with no other purpose than to exert her will.
Perhaps you know it as Corpus Christi.
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My intention is to do the best possible thing for my personal mental and emotional health
Yeah, who would have thought; a right-winger on the lookout for number 1.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:45 am
msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:42 am
I’ve never heard of Body of Christ, Texas.

Perhaps. This was at a time when this person was also rebelling against policies that were in place to protect patients and employees from illness, and serially coming in with no other purpose than to exert her will.
Perhaps you know it as Corpus Christi.
No, I didn’t, but that is not something that has ever come up. No, I don’t have a problem with Corpus Christi.
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It's extremely easy to treat people with respect if they agree with your personal opinions/ideology - treating people with respect if they don't share your personal opinions/ideology/view/belief is the real measuring stick for respect.

The OP text (especially given other texts I have read) was not disrespectful treatment. It was actually fairly warm/kind.

In my opinion, (UR4 re: motive; removed. -c-) is an example of it being too difficult for some to treat people with respect - That being the author of the text.
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I highly doubt the woman making the pronouncement has really been under that much stress and for an entire decade. What, does she work at a middle-school sex-change clinic in Los Angeles? How often does the average person find themselves needing to be wary of pronoun choices? It's far more likely, if she's really, actually feeling stress, that it's coming from her diet of Alex Jones. It's definitely believable that a person who consumes right-wing media significantly feels stressed out about pronouns.

It's also a right-wing trope to suddenly become fed up with nonsense and tell it like it is. And so there's a good chance she's not felt any stress about this; the background story was invented on the spot as a way to unload. Forty years ago, instead of getting stressed out over pronouns and saying "'nuff of it, I'm calling a spade a spade," a right-winger would rush into a restaurant and light a cigarette, not caring about the blasted new signs.

If she really is constantly needing to be careful of pronouns then she must have a job interfacing with the public, and in that case, she'll likely lose her job if she's going to quit and talk however she wants. I really don't think she'd do that, hence I lean toward the trope theory, or if there really is pressure, it's coming from a little too much Rumble.com.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:20 am
Wow, Marcus. That’s the most extreme example of passive aggression that I’ve seen in a long time. Man, I don’t miss that part of Mormon culture.
Nor do I.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 3:46 am
I highly doubt the woman making the pronouncement has really been under that much stress and for an entire decade. What, does she work at a middle-school sex-change clinic in Los Angeles? How often does the average person find themselves needing to be wary of pronoun choices? It's far more likely, if she's really, actually feeling stress, that it's coming from her diet of Alex Jones. It's definitely believable that a person who consumes right-wing media significantly feels stressed out about pronouns.

It's also a right-wing trope to suddenly become fed up with nonsense and tell it like it is. And so there's a good chance she's not felt any stress about this; the background story was invented on the spot as a way to unload. Forty years ago, instead of getting stressed out over pronouns and saying "'nuff of it, I'm calling a spade a spade," a right-winger would rush into a restaurant and light a cigarette, not caring about the blasted new signs.

If she really is constantly needing to be careful of pronouns then she must have a job interfacing with the public, and in that case, she'll likely lose her job if she's going to quit and talk however she wants. I really don't think she'd do that, hence I lean toward the trope theory, or if there really is pressure, it's coming from a little too much Rumble.com.
Excellent assessment.
...It's also a right-wing trope to suddenly become fed up with nonsense and tell it like it is. And so there's a good chance she's not felt any stress about this; the background story was invented on the spot as a way to unload...
And, supposing she is feeling pressure on her job, unloading on a family member who is, in their opinion, not living up to how they interpret their religion is a perfect background story to invent.
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