When treating people with respect is just too difficult for some.

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Jersey Girl wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:02 pm
I've re-read the OP and I think I may have reached a different take on the situation. I think there's another way to manage the matter with family relationships intact going forward without rejecting or cutting out either the Aunt or the Niece/Nephew. Need a little time to mull it over once more then I'll give it a shot here. Probably no one is going to like or agree with it. So be it.
Will it be to put the aunt into one of those big, plastic bubbles, for her own protection?
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:26 am
msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
Sounds like this person has a deeply held conviction, which may deserve some respect as well. Just sayin’. :roll:

A couple of years ago, a patient legally changed her name to ___ Jesus. I never had to call her by name after the name change, but had thought I would not call her by her new full two-word name as I felt I’d be using Jesus’ name in vain. My thoughts were to just use the new first name without the Jesus part. Perhaps that would be a compromise that would be respectful for the both of us.
What do you call the thousands of Latino men named Jesus? Or what about “Body of Christ, Texas.”

Wasn’t his name in his native language a common one?

Do you really think Jesus would somehow be offended at you for using a patient’s legal name?
I don't think the name was simply Jesus, but instead [blank] Jesus.
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My love and appreciation of you as a person is unchanged.
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Why did pronouns develop on a gender basis in the first place? Was it so important to identify one's gender every time a pronoun is used by a speaker? Seriously?!

Just this past Sunday, I was speaking the an older individual, who questioned why "Ms." is used instead of "Miss" and "Mrs." I asked why the marital status needs to be identified? After all, at once time Master referred to an unmarried male and Mister to a married one, but society has long ago by and large dropped use of "Master" and simply refers to married and unmarried males alike, now simply "Mister." Was there pushback to that, like I am still hearing 40+ years after "Ms." first started being used? For decades after the title for men stopped distinguishing between married and unmarried males, the titles distinguishing married ("Mrs.") females from unmarried ones ("Miss") persisted.

The pronoun situation is similar. Why does it yet persist? I would ask the aunt these questions, why it is so important to her when speaking and uses pronouns does she feel it necessary to identify the gender?
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toon wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:24 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:26 am
What do you call the thousands of Latino men named Jesus? Or what about “Body of Christ, Texas.”

Wasn’t his name in his native language a common one?

Do you really think Jesus would somehow be offended at you for using a patient’s legal name?
I don't think the name was simply Jesus, but instead [blank] Jesus.
I missed that. Was the blank the F- word or its equivalent? If so, I think avoiding use of the name is fine.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 5:34 pm
There are millions of sincere Christians who believe homosexuality should be punished by death.
There are?

Perhaps I am really uninformed, but I am having a very hard time believing that this is true.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 7:56 pm
I missed that. Was the blank the F- word or its equivalent? If so, I think avoiding use of the name is fine.
I think the _____ was the first name.
msnobody wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 2:14 am
A couple of years ago, a patient legally changed her name to ___ Jesus. I never had to call her by name after the name change, but had thought I would not call her by her new full two-word name as I felt I’d be using Jesus’ name in vain. My thoughts were to just use the new first name without the Jesus part. Perhaps that would be a compromise that would be respectful for the both of us.
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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:24 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 5:34 pm
There are millions of sincere Christians who believe homosexuality should be punished by death.
There are?

Perhaps I am really uninformed, but I am having a very hard time believing that this is true.

Uganda is 80% Christian.


Uganda’s new anti-gay legislation includes death sentence in some cases

"Uganda’s president has signed into law tough new anti-gay legislation supported by many in this East African country but widely condemned by rights activists and others abroad."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/ugan ... some-cases




edit to add:

Some American Evangelicals helped bring this about.


US religious right at center of anti-LGBTQ+ message pushed around the world

"When the US evangelical preacher and anti-LGBTQ+ crusader Scott Lively landed in Uganda in 2009 to warn of the “gay agenda”, he was arriving after a series of culture-war defeats at home.

"More and more US states were recognizing same-sex marriage, and opinion polls were showing fewer and fewer Americans objected. Lively was there to offer Uganda’s lawmakers some advice on how to drum up outrage. “Emphasize the issue of the homosexual recruitment of children,” he advised.

"Five years later, Ugandan president Yoweri Museveni signed a law that made same-sex relationships punishable by death, asserting that western groups and gay people were “coming into our schools and recruiting young children into homosexuality”.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/ ... %E2%80%9D.
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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:24 pm
Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 5:34 pm
There are millions of sincere Christians who believe homosexuality should be punished by death.
There are?

Perhaps I am really uninformed, but I am having a very hard time believing that this is true.
The death to gays bill was promoted by US based Christians. They backed off a little when their role in pushing the bill was publicized in the US. But they still supposed making homosexual contact a crime.

There are some scary folks running around in the Christian Nationalist and post-liberal Catholic circles. Uganda is a good example of why some believers and non believers alike are staunch defenders of the separation of church and state.
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Res Ipsa wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 9:21 pm
ceeboo wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2024 8:24 pm

There are?

Perhaps I am really uninformed, but I am having a very hard time believing that this is true.
The death to gays bill was promoted by US based Christians. They backed off a little when their role in pushing the bill was publicized in the US. But they still supposed making homosexual contact a crime.

There are some scary folks running around in the Christian Nationalist and post-liberal Catholic circles. Uganda is a good example of why some believers and non believers alike are staunch defenders of the separation of church and state.
Wow!

Freaking crazy!

(Thanks Res - And thanks to Morley as well for the other post)
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