Reasons People Vote Trump

[Gadianton]

Let's not forget this one:

most Christians that I know aren't very concerned by how other people weigh their credibility regarding politics. As a matter of fact, most Christians I know cast their vote based largely on policy and not the personality of a candidate.

What are those alluring policies of Trump? The ones outside of spending billions and billions on prisons for liberals and immigrants, or unrealistic tariffs?

Some might point to past policies like his tax cuts, but I'd want to filter out very general policies, which any republican would implement -- tax cuts are more authentically a RINO policy than a Trump policy; all he had to do was sign. Nikki Haley would also support low taxes.

What Ceeboo appears to be saying to me is either one of two things, that the Christians he knows support absolutely horrific policies, or they support general Republican policies, believing that Trump's policy promises are lies and that his actual policies will be establishment policies. If the latter, then why vote Trump and not Haley, why risk the instability that goes with his personality?

[Some Schmo]

What are those alluring policies of Trump? The ones outside of spending billions and billions on prisons for liberals and immigrants, or unrealistic tariffs?

Strengthening institutional racism. I think that's their favorite policy. It's the only one we can be sure he'll try.

They can't name any policies. Their go to defense is "I liked the economy when Trump was President" which might be reasonable if you only include the first couple years of his term. They never think about how he lied about the seriousness of the pandemic, prolonging it, causing supply chain issues and driving up inflation. They blame inflation on Biden who inherited Trump's idiot economy and turned things around.

I'm pretty sure they think things were better under Trump simply because a "Republican" was in office and they were basking in the glow of his racist tendencies. They clearly weren't paying attention to what he was actually doing.

[Gadianton]

They can't name any policies. Their go to defense is "I liked the economy when Trump was President" which might be reasonable if you only include the first couple years of his term.

Exactly. For the sake of this thread, I'm not interested in debating the policies, or whether the economy was good, or whether the policies had anything to do with the economy, only what the policies Christians that Ceeboo knows earn Trump their vote. My follow up to that, assuming the policies are general republican policies, is which of those policies couldn't have been achieved by a Republican candidate who doesn't malign millions of Americans with insults daily and continuously threaten policies to ruin millions of peoples lives?

Basically, I'm calling BS. If there's an answer, then I might eat my words. But there's a reason why Trump is the leader of the Republican party and it has everything to do with his unsavory personality traits and/or his unsavory plans to be the dictator for their culture war.

[ajax18]

is which of those policies couldn't have been achieved by a Republican candidate who doesn't malign millions of Americans with insults daily and continuously threaten policies to ruin millions of peoples lives?

Are you sure you would like Nikki Haley's policies. The establishment GOP wanted to privatize social security and maybe even phase it out. Trump understood this was a political impossibility.

Who is Trump insulting and exactly what policies are ruining peoples lives?

[Doctor Steuss]

Who is Trump insulting and exactly what policies are ruining peoples lives?

I'll just pretend you didn't ask the first part of that sentence, lol.

Regarding the second half: Do you not remember the billions upon billions of dollars of socialist bailouts because of Trump's tariff tantrums that accomplished absolutely nothing other than decimating American industries, weakening our global bargaining power, and costing taxpayers huge sums of money?

He's doubled down on planning to throw even bigger tariff tantrums this go-around, despite nearly every major economist, even his own school's economists (that he lied about at the debate) saying it will be disastrous. Just the other day, he once again demonstrated (and note, this is someone who was President, and is trying to be President again) that he has no clue how tariffs work -- or he's just lying because he assumes his followers are idiots.

I'm personally against the executive branch passing a universal tax (on the order of $4,000+ per household) without any type of legislative representation. Weird quirk of believing in the Constitution and being a patriot. Perhaps you think the majority of Americans have an extra $4K just laying around that they can throw to Uncle Sam to pay for Trump's massive money printing, vertical socialism, and dictator tax increases. I don't.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

is which of those policies couldn't have been achieved by a Republican candidate who doesn't malign millions of Americans with insults daily and continuously threaten policies to ruin millions of peoples lives?

Are you sure you would like Nikki Haley's policies. The establishment GOP wanted to privatize social security and maybe even phase it out. Trump understood this was a political impossibility.

Who is Trump insulting and exactly what policies are ruining peoples lives?

[ajax18]

Who is Trump insulting and exactly what policies are ruining peoples lives?

I'll just pretend you didn't ask the first part of that sentence, lol.

Regarding the second half: Do you not remember the billions upon billions of dollars of socialist bailouts because of Trump's tariff tantrums that accomplished absolutely nothing other than decimating American industries, weakening our global bargaining power, and costing taxpayers huge sums of money?

He's doubled down on planning to throw even bigger tariff tantrums this go-around, despite nearly every major economist, even his own school's economists (that he lied about at the debate) saying it will be disastrous. Just the other day, he once again demonstrated (and note, this is someone who was President, and is trying to be President again) that he has no clue how tariffs work -- or he's just lying because he assumes his followers are idiots.

I'm personally against the executive branch passing a universal tax (on the order of $4,000+ per household) without any type of legislative representation. Weird quirk of believing in the Constitution and being a patriot. Perhaps you think the majority of Americans have an extra $4K just laying around that they can throw to Uncle Sam to pay for Trump's massive money printing, vertical socialism, and dictator tax increases. I don't.

If the tariffs were ineffective and causing so much damage, why did Biden choose to keep them in place? He got rid of practically every other America First policy, namely the Paris accords, have asylum seekers remain in Mexico while their claim is adjudicated, and construction of the Keystone Pipeline.

I can't understand why Democrats prefer Nikki Haley when it's the establishment chamber of commerce Republican elites who wanted to privatize social security and got us into the Iraq war. Who could have ever imagined a Democrat party that wants endless wars on foreign shores rather than negotiating a peace agreement in Russia? Russia encroached on Ukraine during three of the last four presidents. They encroached on GWB, Obama, and Biden, but not Trump. Nikki Haley's wing of the party is perfectly fine with working class America being the world's police and welfare service. Trump has asked our allies to do their part even if it means sacrificing some of their expensive democratic socialist welfare state in Western Europe.

[Doctor Steuss]

If the tariffs were ineffective and causing so much damage, why did Biden choose to keep them in place?

So you like Biden's policies then, since they're a continuation of Trump's?

Cool. I don't.

I don't know what Biden kept the largely China-centric tariffs in place, and got rid of others (he didn't keep all of them, and made mortifications to steel, aluminum, and solar panel tariffs -- or do you think we're still having to pay billions every year to bail out are failing agrucultural industry because of ham-fisted dotard tariff tantrums?). My guess is because they are a revenue generator since he's much more fiscally responsible than Trump, and for the political clout of being "tough on China."

He got rid of practically every other America First policy, namely the Paris accords, have asylum seekers remain in Mexico while their claim is adjudicated, and construction of the Keystone Pipeline.

He also increased federal drilling permits, and has lead the US to produce more oil than any nation ever in the history of the world, and created the most comprehensive and hardline bipartisan border security bill in recent history. He also allowed Trump's disastrous OPEC deal to expire, which brought gas prices down, and reduced inflation. Keystone wouldn't have influenced prices any more than all of the pipelines that went ahead. It's a virtue signaling token for conservatives and liberals to bandy about. So, you like Biden's policies now?

Cool.

Always amazed at just how much Trump supporters love socialism, and hate free market capitalism. They also seem to want our borders open for no other reason than to have something to complain about. More leftist than most leftists I know.

[canpakes]

Are you sure you would like Nikki Haley's policies. The establishment GOP wanted to privatize social security and maybe even phase it out. Trump understood this was a political impossibility.

I’d figure that you’d have voted for Haley, then. You’ve spoken many times about how Social Security is ‘theft’ and want the program to die.

Nikki Haley's wing of the party is perfectly fine with working class America being the world's police and welfare service. Trump has asked our allies to do their part even if it means sacrificing some of their expensive democratic socialist welfare state in Western Europe.

Not to worry. If Trump becomes president, Russia can complete their takeover of Ukraine without consequence, thereby gaining greater control over a significant share of the worldwide flow of fossil fuels and grain exports. Then, you can pay far more for fuel and foodstuffs than you otherwise would have, as a way of showing your support for your Dear Leader.

That’ll work out well for you and Putin. During the Trump Administration’s tenure, the US increased Russian oil imports by 30%. Since the start of the war, we’ve brought them back down to zero. That makes Vlad sad. Putin needs you to contribute to his bank account again, and your vote for Trump will help get you there.

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[Gadianton]

Are you sure you would like Nikki Haley's policies. The establishment GOP wanted to privatize social security and maybe even phase it out. Trump understood this was a political impossibility.

Actually, my question was: why do conservative Christians insist on Trump rather go with somebody without the "personality" liabilities like Haley? It wasn't whether I, as an atheist libertarian, would vote for Haley. So are you saying that an example of a Trump policy that earns the conservative Christian vote is his position not to change social security?

I think Canpakes has your number on that, but, assuming this is your position, that Trump isn't touching social security, and that's why Christians need Donald Trump instead of Haley, I think we should consider what you actually just said.

You didn't say that Trump believes in social security, you said he knows it's a political impossibility. Why is that? Lots of old people may get scared and not vote for him if their benefits are touched. What is Trump about more than anything else? To secure his power through election fraud and placing incompetent yes-people into institutional positions who will do his bidding, no matter how illegal or stupid it is. To personally use the DOJ to go after his enemies. Once he's successful, what is it that Trump doesn't need anymore? Anybody's votes. Once he doesn't need to compromise to stay in power, your own words suggest he will then chop up social security however he feels like it.