Hillary 2.0

[honorentheos]

It wasn't left off as it was never part of it.

A post authored by you - about 20 minutes ago:

Ceeboo may think this is all Democrats pushing identity politics but he'd probably wonder why it was left off the agenda in most Democrat rallies.

Unbelievable!

Lol.

What's unbelievable? That you don't actually care about dialog but are really just here to stir the crap? But you get butthurt when told you're a crap person for it?

Hardly unbelievable.

So, what about answering how you'd differentiate between an argument for treating a person with dignity and protecting their rights compared to what you've been told is going on?

[ceeboo]

A post authored by you - about 20 minutes ago:

Unbelievabvle!

Lol.

What's unbelievable? That you don't actually care about dialog but are really just here to stir the crap? But you get butthurt when told you're a crap person?

Right, I'm a crap person.

A personal attack seems to be the only option left at this point.

Desperation by the enlightened one - I get it.

Lol.

[honorentheos]

What's unbelievable? That you don't actually care about dialog but are really just here to stir the crap? But you get butthurt when told you're a crap person?

Right, I'm a crap person.

A personal attack seems to be the only option left at this point.

Desperation by the enlightened one - I get it.

Lol.

We agree in that if you aren't capable of dialog, which we have ample evidence is not your thing, we get left with egging the other on.

Just remember, ceebs, you chose to not answer the question. That was a choice you made, no one forced you down the path you chose. Yourself.

[ceeboo]

Right, I'm a crap person.

A personal attack seems to be the only option left at this point.

Desperation by the enlightened one - I get it.

Lol.

We agree in that if you aren't capable of dialog

After attempted personal attacks don't work, implying someone isn't capable of dialog seems to be the next tactic employed by folks like you.

Really need to get to bed - Don't worry too much about your significant struggles tonight, we all have bad nights.

And for what it's worth, I don't think you're a crap person.

[Res Ipsa]

So seems like the identity politics agenda isn't the agenda here, is it? So where did you get that idea since it wasn't from seeking sincere understanding while crying about being victimized?

So seems like you are having some significant difficulties with comprehension.

I said that I know why identity politics were intentionally left off the agenda at Harris rallies and you just spent a ton off effort and posted a wall of text that provides evidence that it was left off the agenda.

Lol.

Again, I know why - the question is do you know why identity politics were left off the agenda?

Because, Ceeboo, the caricature of identity politics that you’ve been led to believe is central to D party is a lie. Look. Here’s the reality of candidates for any given job. You might get one or two folks that clearly are head and shoulders above the rest. And you might get a few clear clunkers that clearly are not qualified. But the rest are so clumped together that trying to differentiate them is almost entirely subjective, which means our subjective, unconscious, implicit biases have free rein. So this conservative fantasy that making sure folks aren’t getting handicapped by implicit bias has anything to do with unqualified or even less qualified people getting jobs is nonsense.

Beyond that, if you’ve interviewed and hired candidates, you’ve seen people that you thought were less qualified get the job (perhaps over your recommendation) and yet turn out to be top notch employees. And you’ve also seen candidates that you thought would be great turn out to be terrible.

Our ability to predict which candidates among the blob of candidates that cluster around the objectively qualified mark succeed or fail as employees is more like picking flavors of ice cream than precisely determining who is best qualified. In law firms, it often comes down to who among similarly qualified candidates seems to fit better with the firm culture. And if that culture is made up of mostly white, middle to upper class men … the result isn’t surprising.

Taking steps to make sure that everyone gets a fair shake has zero to do with hiring unqualified people.

[honorentheos]

We agree in that if you aren't capable of dialog

After attempted personal attacks don't work, implying someone isn't capable of dialog seems to be the next tactic employed by folks like you.

Really need to get to bed - Don't worry too much about your significant struggles tonight, we all have bad nights.

And for what it's worth, I don't think you're a crap person.

At it's most basic level the board is a place for discussion. As a society many other layers can and do exist. But because it's basic social structure is as a message board there is a utilitarian nature to the ethics of board behavior that exists in the context of message boards. One can engage in the exchange of ideas. Or not. And that is where we find ourselves yet again.

Come to message board Jesus and be born again. How would you differentiate between an argument for treating a person with dignity and protecting their rights compared to what you've been told is going on?

[ceeboo]

So seems like you are having some significant difficulties with comprehension.

I said that I know why identity politics were intentionally left off the agenda at Harris rallies and you just spent a ton off effort and posted a wall of text that provides evidence that it was left off the agenda.

Lol.

Again, I know why - the question is do you know why identity politics were left off the agenda?

Because, Ceeboo, the caricature of identity politics that you’ve been led to believe is central to D party is a lie. Look. Here’s the reality of candidates for any given job. You might get one or two folks that clearly are head and shoulders above the rest. And you might get a few clear clunkers that clearly are not qualified. But the rest are so clumped together that trying to differentiate them is almost entirely subjective, which means our subjective, unconscious, implicit biases have free rein. So this conservative fantasy that making sure folks aren’t getting handicapped by implicit bias has anything to do with unqualified or even less qualified people getting jobs is nonsense.

Beyond that, if you’ve interviewed and hired candidates, you’ve seen people that you thought were less qualified get the job (perhaps over your recommendation) and yet turn out to be top notch employees. And you’ve also seen candidates that you thought would be great turn out to be terrible.

Our ability to predict which candidates among the blob of candidates that cluster around the objectively qualified mark succeed or fail as employees is more like picking flavors of ice cream than precisely determining who is best qualified. In law firms, it often comes down to who among similarly qualified candidates seems to fit better with the firm culture. And if that culture is made up of mostly white, middle to upper class men ... the result isn’t surprising.

Taking steps to make sure that everyone gets a fair shake has zero to do with hiring unqualified people.

Hey Res,

Sorry that I haven't responded to many of your posts tonight, I have been a little distracted.

Just wanted you to know that I have read all of them and that I am grateful for the way that you challenge my positions, while being passionate with your differing positions, all while extending respect to me personally as well as my thoughts/opinions/perspectives.

Thanks a bunch for that.

The next time I log on, perhaps we will have a chance to discuss this "lie I have been led to believe."

Anyway, just wanted you to know that I did read your posts.

[Jersey Girl]

honor just did a quick scan of the page on this. It's a response against all the stage theorists I'm familiar with so a competing theory. Thank you for giving me something new to consider!

I doubt I'll ever give up my support of constructivist theory. That said, it's refreshing to see new food for thought!

You know, thinking. Some folks would do well to take a crack at that.

I'm glad you see it as interesting, Jersey Girl. And I would be interested in your critique. I have my own criticisms but do think it provides insights of a kind.

honor I'll have to wait until after Sunday to really review and reflect on the theory. My art association show begins tomorrow and runs 5 days. I'll either be working shifts outside of the show or finishing up the online publicity campaign. I'll make a sticky reminder.

My life is currently a collection of sticky notes.

[honorentheos]

I'm glad you see it as interesting, Jersey Girl. And I would be interested in your critique. I have my own criticisms but do think it provides insights of a kind.

honor I'll have to wait until after Sunday to really review and reflect on the theory. My art association show begins tomorrow and runs 5 days. I'll either be working shifts outside of the show or finishing up the online publicity campaign. I'll make a sticky reminder.

My life is currently a collection of sticky notes.

Did you paint watercolors?

[Jersey Girl]

honor I'll have to wait until after Sunday to really review and reflect on the theory. My art association show begins tomorrow and runs 5 days. I'll either be working shifts outside of the show or finishing up the online publicity campaign. I'll make a sticky reminder.

My life is currently a collection of sticky notes.

Did you paint watercolors?

No! I stink at watercolors. I make what you might call country craft items. I'll slip ya a pic or two tomorrow. Oh wait, that's another sticky note.