Trump Supporters Can't Be Trusted

[Some Schmo]

I doubt any of them realize it at this point, but Trump fans “F” themselves by admitting they're Trump fans. It's a clear indication they can't be trusted. Their analysis is bad, they are given to wishful thinking, and they have a distorted world view. They are ignorant, stupid, belligerent, insane, or some combination of all four.

They might as well advertise themselves as Christians. When all you can do is offer your feelings as evidence for everything you have to say, you don't deserve to be trusted with anything.

I won't do business with anyone who has even a whiff of Trump admiration. They are damaged goods. They might as well admit they're pedophiles or rapists. Their reputation comes out the same.

[ceeboo]

I doubt any of them realize it at this point, but Trump fans “F” themselves by admitting they're Trump fans. It's a clear indication they can't be trusted. Their analysis is bad, they are given to wishful thinking, and they have a distorted world view. They are ignorant, stupid, belligerent, insane, or some combination of all four.

They might as well advertise themselves as Christians. When all you can do is offer your feelings as evidence for everything you have to say, you don't deserve to be trusted with anything.

I won't do business with anyone who has even a whiff of Trump admiration. They are damaged goods. They might as well admit they're pedophiles or rapists. Their reputation comes out the same.

The levels of utter intolerance, seething hatred, and open bigotry that you display on this board is shocking. How no board members ever seem to challenge you on these types of unhinged and awful posts is almost as shocking as what you post.

I have a suspicion that if Our current President of the USA, Joe Biden, were a board member here, he would affirm and applaud your vitriol.

President Biden calls Trump supporters "garbage"
https://youtu.be/F54hZP_rWiU?si=IqZd4yZZ64djl3W7

[Vēritās]

Garbage was a response of disgust to the Trump rally calling an entire country of minorities garbage. Ceeboo, do you ever pull your head out of your ass long enough to even try to be even handed? How many decades have we endured your side calling anyone who is educated, a marxist, communist, libtard, etc. Trump can't even say Kamala without saying "Comrade Kamala." I live in a red area of a purple state and I can tell you people who vote Democrat are terrified to make their views known in this area.

Now maybe take the time to understand why people would in today's political climate, this bad about people who support a felon, a rapist, a tyrant, a dictator wannabe, a man who wants to use the miniltary to suppress speech he doesn't like, a man who has vowed to use the military to go after anyone who offended him in the past, etc.

Go ahead, chalk it all up to "Oh nobody takes him serious he is just being Trump, all talk."

Well, no. He tried to overthrow our Democracy 4 years ago and failed. Had Pence done what Trump ordered him to do we would have had a constitutional crisis and Trump would have likely used the military to stay in power. The only reason he wasn't successful is because of one man who decided he wasn't going to put loyalty of Trump over his oath to the Constitution. But today the man is a coinflip away from assuming power again. A felon who might never see sentencing because his corrupt the Supreme Court declared he is immune.

And all you want to say on the matter is that you're a victim? I'll say it. 8 years ago I would have called a Trump voter simply misinformed. 4 Year ago after all of the damage he did to our Nation, the only people left supporting him were the racists, people conditioned by right wing propaganda to hate all things Democrat and support the Right no matter what, and people who only cared about their tax cuts.

But today, after all the damage and humiliation and DEATH caused by this lunatic, if you still support him then yes, you are garbage. There is no valid grounds to support this man. Neither moral or political. He is worse for our country in every way imaginable. He effectively killed another 200,000 Americans due to his incompetent handling of the pandemic because he tried to wish it away in time for the upcoming elections. He didn't need a pandemic ruining his plans for a second term so he gaslighted us all until we couldn't be gaslit anymore because only a blind person could ignore the hospitals being overrun with patients.


And today women are literally suffering and even dying because of his tyrannical and theocratic destruction of Roe. For the first time in probably forever, Americans have fewer rights than they did before.

[ceeboo]

But today, after all the damage and humiliation and DEATH caused by this lunatic, if you still support him then yes, you are garbage.

Got it.

[Schreech]

I affirm and applaud...utter intolerance, seething hatred, and open bigotry...I have...unhinged and awful posts...Board members here...seem..."garbage". Our current President...is..."garbage". I...post..."garbage"...and...vitriol.

"It's not easy to admit something like this on an internet message board."

Just think, if you were to put some effort into not being a bigot and not obsessing over pigmentation levels in human skin (or what people choose to do with their own bodies), one day you would no longer be a bigot or a racist.

[Vēritās]

Of course as always, Ceeboo never debates the details of anything. He is only interested in whining about being a victim. If people are upset with you for supporting a fascist who is literally wanting to kill people and kill our democracy, then don't you think those arguments are worth exploring or clearing up?

Nope.

Not for ceeboo.

He's a victim and that's how he likes it. Who needs details or actual arguments based on facts?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Of course as always, Ceeboo never debates the details of anything. He is only interested in whining about being a victim. If people are upset with you for supporting a fascist who is literally wanting to kill people and kill our democracy, then don't you think those arguments are worth exploring or clearing up?

Nope.

Not for ceeboo.

He's a victim and that's how he likes it. Who needs details or actual arguments based on facts?

He’s the real victim, don’t you know? His christian persecution complex dials up to orgasm every time you attack him and his views.

- Doc

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I doubt any of them realize it at this point, but Trump fans “F” themselves by admitting they're Trump fans. It's a clear indication they can't be trusted. Their analysis is bad, they are given to wishful thinking, and they have a distorted world view. They are ignorant, stupid, belligerent, insane, or some combination of all four.

They might as well advertise themselves as Christians. When all you can do is offer your feelings as evidence for everything you have to say, you don't deserve to be trusted with anything.

I won't do business with anyone who has even a whiff of Trump admiration. They are damaged goods. They might as well admit they're pedophiles or rapists. Their reputation comes out the same.

Now that I know beyond a shadow of a doubt what Republicans are thanks to MAGA, I won’t associate with anyone who votes for our American Nazi Party. I’d never drink at Nazi bar, but here we are with GOPhers knocking back shots at a bar adorned with Confederate battle flags and swastikas, and act aghast that we dare associate them with them.

“F” that. We won’t go back.

- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

I doubt any of them realize it at this point, but Trump fans “F” themselves by admitting they're Trump fans. It's a clear indication they can't be trusted. Their analysis is bad, they are given to wishful thinking, and they have a distorted world view. They are ignorant, stupid, belligerent, insane, or some combination of all four.

They might as well advertise themselves as Christians. When all you can do is offer your feelings as evidence for everything you have to say, you don't deserve to be trusted with anything.

I won't do business with anyone who has even a whiff of Trump admiration. They are damaged goods. They might as well admit they're pedophiles or rapists. Their reputation comes out the same.

The levels of utter intolerance, seething hatred, and open bigotry that you display on this board is shocking. How no board members ever seem to challenge you on these types of unhinged and awful posts is almost as shocking as what you post.

I have a suspicion that if Our current President of the USA, Joe Biden, were a board member here, he would affirm and applaud your vitriol.

President Biden calls Trump supporters "garbage"
https://youtu.be/F54hZP_rWiU?si=IqZd4yZZ64djl3W7

Hey Ceebs, I watched the whole tape, and you’ve taken a few words out of context. Biden was talking about the speaker at Trump’s capstone event of his campaign who, with the approval of the Trump campaign, called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. He is a Trump supporter and so are his campaign staff that read that statement and left it in his script. Biden was addressing Trump and those supporters who demonize their fellow Americans.

You’ve already disclaimed that dehumanizing rhetoric from Trump and, I would assume, those of his supporters who also use it. Taking Biden’s words out of the context that is obvious from the clip itself and equating that to what Schmo says on this board is, borrowing your term, ridiculous.

Both siderism is itself ridiculous in the context of this election. Trump and a horrific percentage of his supporters have engaged in unspeakable and dangerous demonization of their political opponents. You had to lift a few of Biden’s words from out of their context and apply a fair amount spin to equate Biden with Schmo. And, if you work at it, maybe you could scour everything that Biden or Harris has ever said, and spin it enough to say “both sides.” And I will be able to simply turn to any Trump speech or that of any of his supporters at campaign events or media interviews, and match you at least 10-1. (I’m hedging my bets because I’m pretty sure I could exceed 100-1 without breaking a sweat.)

Both siderism between Trump and Harris/Biden is not just straining at gnats and swallowing camels, it’s straining at microbes and swallowing planets. Trump's transactional approach to being at the head of the wealthiest and most powerful nation of the earth evidences his sheer contempt for ordinary Americans.

A crystal clear example is disaster relief, which has its own thread on the board. There is not even a hint of evidence that Biden has played politics with disaster relief. On the other hand, we have quite a bit of evidence that Trump sees disaster relief funds as his own private slush fund to reward friends and punish enemies. His attitude is, if you haven’t done something to benefit me lately, you are of no value.

The lion’s share of the investment from the IRA has gone into red counties, adding jobs and infrastructure. Dying rural and rustbelt towns and cities, short of workers because of migration to cities with jobs, need that investment. Urban Seattle doesn’t need a new chip or battery plant. Coal country and the rust belt do. Takin steps to improve the lives of Americans who voted for the other guy is incomprehensible to Trump. That’s called “being a sucker” in Trump World.”

So, no, Biden wouldn’t be at home with Schmo’s rhetoric. And both siderism in the context of this election is ridiculous.

One more note: no one on this board has objected to the use of dehumanizing rhetoric on this board more than I have. I don’t do it to shame people or to get cookies. I’ve done it out of a very firm conviction that “that way lies madness.” Dehumanizing rhetoric is what gives my fellow bits of sentient carbon permission to hack their neighbors to death with machetes. Full stop.

It also runs counter to my deep seated belief about my fellow sentient bits of carbon: “[E]very human being is a unique and irreplaceable work of art” that, wholly unearned, deserves the fulfillment of the American promise that all sentient bits of carbon are created equally and will be treated as having the same right to life, liberty, and the chance at happiness.

The quote is from A.R. Moxon, in my thread about the trolley car problem.

Here’s the flip side: Schmo has the same liberty to speak as I do, and he is responsible for the words he chooses to use. I am not obligated to run around the board and chide Schmo for every insult he uses. And that is especially true on a board that holds freedom of expression as an important value. Castigating the entire board for not virtue signaling in response to Schmo is kinda ridiculous.

Nothing that Schmo says here will cause the unconscionable amount of harm that Trump's dehumanizing rhetoric has already caused and will continue to cause. So why spend so many pixels tone policing each other?

[ceeboo]

The levels of utter intolerance, seething hatred, and open bigotry that you display on this board is shocking. How no board members ever seem to challenge you on these types of unhinged and awful posts is almost as shocking as what you post.

I have a suspicion that if Our current President of the USA, Joe Biden, were a board member here, he would affirm and applaud your vitriol.

President Biden calls Trump supporters "garbage"
https://youtu.be/F54hZP_rWiU?si=IqZd4yZZ64djl3W7

Hey Ceebs,

Hey Res,

I watched the whole tape,

So did I.

and you’ve taken a few words out of context. Biden was talking about the speaker at Trump’s capstone event of his campaign who, with the approval of the Trump campaign, called Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. He is a Trump supporter and so are his campaign staff that read that statement and left it in his script. Biden was addressing Trump and those supporters who demonize their fellow Americans.

Biden's exact quote - "The only garbage I see floating out there is his supporters." -Then he goes on to talk about demonization (which both sides do a ton - Including Biden/Harris)

You’ve already disclaimed that dehumanizing rhetoric from Trump and, I would assume, those of his supporters who also use it.

I do indeed - I just don't stop the train at the point of the track because if I did, I wouldn't see what can clearly be seen just a bit further down the track - where Biden/Harris and their supporters are partaking in the very same politically driven dehumanization of their political opponents.

Taking Biden’s words out of the context that is obvious from the clip itself and equating that to what Schmo says on this board is, borrowing your term, ridiculous.

Someone seems to be taking Biden's words out of context, and I am pretty sure it isn't me. And, I wasn't equating Schmo's post, I was suggesting that Biden would applaud and approve of the post (context).

Both siderism is itself ridiculous in the context of this election. Trump and a horrific percentage of his supporters have engaged in unspeakable and dangerous demonization of their political opponents. You had to lift a few of Biden’s words from out of their context and apply a fair amount spin to equate Biden with Schmo. And, if you work at it, maybe you could scour everything that Biden or Harris has ever said, and spin it enough to say “both sides.” And I will be able to simply turn to any Trump speech or that of any of his supporters at campaign events or media interviews, and match you at least 10-1. (I’m hedging my bets because I’m pretty sure I could exceed 100-1 without breaking a sweat.)

You seem to have attempted this line of argument a few times (I have intentionally passed before) - Like it's a score keeping game of sorts or a stadium scoreboard that displays the current score to the spectators. It is not. Not even close to that. If both sides are guilty of spewing toxic rhetoric (and both sides most certainly are), then both sides ought to be called out for doing so. What difference would it possibly make if you could (I am not convinced you could but for the sake of the point I will go with you) show many mare examples on one side. If I were to physically assault 580 people and you were to physically assault 37 people, does that change the fact that we are both guilty of physical assault?

So, no, Biden wouldn’t be at home with Schmo’s rhetoric.

Is this your opinion or are you suggesting this as a fact. My opinion is that Biden would be very comfortable with Schmo's toxic rhetoric and he would also be very comfortable posting on this message board.

And both siderism in the context of this election is ridiculous.

Your opinion is an opinion that I am happy to let you express without challenge. My opinion is that both sides are divisive and both sides have created damage to the country.

One more note: no one on this board has objected to the use of dehumanizing rhetoric on this board more than I have.

I can't think of anyone else who has (I am not trying to minimize that, I am just telling you that, other than you, I can' think of another example)

Here’s the flip side: Schmo has the same liberty to speak as I do and he is responsible for the words he chooses to use. I am not obligated to run around the board and chide Schmo for every insult he uses. And that is especially true on a board that holds freedom of expression as an important value. Castigating the entire board for not virtue signaling in response to Schmo is kinda ridiculous.

Again, your opinion is your opinion. My opinion is that it is far from ridiculous - rather, castigating the entire board is something I am obviously willing to do and it's something that I believe is desperately needed - After all, millions and millions of my fellow Americans are being rebuked and berated on a daily basis by a mob of bullies (I'm not very fond of bullies). Ridiculousness would be to remain silent as you watch it happening day after day after day., in my opinion.