Reasons People Vote Trump

[canpakes]

ajax, this site offers a pretty no-nonsense appraisal on our tariff situation:

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... n-tariffs/

Tariffs do indeed seem to have some negative consequences, including reduced GDP and increased prices. Trump’s tariffs on some raw materials, once they wound their way through the manufacturing process, jumpstarted inflation.

And if these tariffs were supposed to be so good at generating cash for the government’s bottom line - as Trump claims - then that benefit doesn’t seem to have materialized for either the Trump or Biden Administration, based on our ever-increasing debt.

You appear to be offering full-throated support of a policy that has no positive effect on our debt, but that (1) makes many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. And you’re supporting a candidate that wants to increase both negative effects.

Where in your link does it explain why Biden kept the Trump tariffs in place?

It doesn’t. And I didn’t claim that it did.

Really, ajax, it’s OK to be ‘for’ tariffs that (1) make many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. You can take that position on the basis of wanting, say, to encourage more American-made products to make it to market. You just seem to be unwilling or unable to commit to that approval, likely because you’ve been complaining so often about ‘Bidenflation’. After all, there’s nothing that Biden did, policy-wise, that Trump didn’t do to a greater extent as regards imposing tariffs and pushing inflation along.

[ajax18]

Where in your link does it explain why Biden kept the Trump tariffs in place?

It doesn’t. And I didn’t claim that it did.

Really, ajax, it’s OK to be ‘for’ tariffs that (1) make many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. You can take that position on the basis of wanting, say, to encourage more American-made products to make it to market. You just seem to be unwilling or unable to commit to that approval, likely because you’ve been complaining so often about ‘Bidenflation’. After all, there’s nothing that Biden did, policy-wise, that Trump didn’t do to a greater extent as regards imposing tariffs and pushing inflation along.

Bidenflation was due to COVID stimulus spending boondoggles. Staying in lockdown for years was the main reason for it. When you have too many dollars chasing to few goods, you get inflation. And given that Democrats could never admit that reality, they'll likely do it again if given the chance.

[canpakes]

It doesn’t. And I didn’t claim that it did.

Really, ajax, it’s OK to be ‘for’ tariffs that (1) make many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. You can take that position on the basis of wanting, say, to encourage more American-made products to make it to market. You just seem to be unwilling or unable to commit to that approval, likely because you’ve been complaining so often about ‘Bidenflation’. After all, there’s nothing that Biden did, policy-wise, that Trump didn’t do to a greater extent as regards imposing tariffs and pushing inflation along.

Bidenflation was due to COVID stimulus spending boondoggles. Staying in lockdown for years was the main reason for it. When you have too many dollars chasing to few goods, you get inflation. And given that Democrats could never admit that reality, they'll likely do it again if given the chance.

Two things:

1. Stimulus spending boondoggles, as you call them, started during the Trump Administration. Hence my observation above.

2. Every industrialized country experienced post-COVID inflation. By all independent accounts, the US fared better than just about any other nation in terms of the severity of that inflation. Does the Biden Administration get credit for that difference, in your book?

Anyhow, distraction aside, you’re still in support of the candidate promising to increase tariffs up to threefold, which will increase prices and boost inflation. Embrace that. It’s OK.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

It doesn’t. And I didn’t claim that it did.

Really, ajax, it’s OK to be ‘for’ tariffs that (1) make many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. You can take that position on the basis of wanting, say, to encourage more American-made products to make it to market. You just seem to be unwilling or unable to commit to that approval, likely because you’ve been complaining so often about ‘Bidenflation’. After all, there’s nothing that Biden did, policy-wise, that Trump didn’t do to a greater extent as regards imposing tariffs and pushing inflation along.

Bidenflation was due to COVID stimulus spending boondoggles. Staying in lockdown for years was the main reason for it. When you have too many dollars chasing to few goods, you get inflation. And given that Democrats could never admit that reality, they'll likely do it again if given the chance.

Who’s signature was on those checks again? Jesus, Xanax. Are you well? Is your handler not around?

- Doc

[Res Ipsa]

ajax, this site offers a pretty no-nonsense appraisal on our tariff situation:

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/ ... n-tariffs/

Tariffs do indeed seem to have some negative consequences, including reduced GDP and increased prices. Trump’s tariffs on some raw materials, once they wound their way through the manufacturing process, jumpstarted inflation.

And if these tariffs were supposed to be so good at generating cash for the government’s bottom line - as Trump claims - then that benefit doesn’t seem to have materialized for either the Trump or Biden Administration, based on our ever-increasing debt.

You appear to be offering full-throated support of a policy that has no positive effect on our debt, but that (1) makes many goods more expensive while (2) contributing to inflation. And you’re supporting a candidate that wants to increase both negative effects.

Where in your link does it explain why Biden kept the Trump tariffs in place?

He didn’t keep “the tariffs” — he kept some of the tariffs. I’ve already explained the reasoning to you. A general, widespread tariff transfers money from the citizens to the government, just like a tax. But it also makes the citizens worse off than an equivalent tax because it artificially distorts supply and demand. In other words, a tariff is worse for the US economy than the equivalent tax would be.

A specific, targeted tariff potentially has long term benefits that offset the loss caused by the market distortion. For example, not being dependent on a hostile nation for our supply of computer chips and batteries, may make paying the loss due to market distortion worth incurring. A new start up business is at a disadvantage when it has to compete with established competitors that can choke it off by reducing prices And even incurring short term losses.

Remember, Trump’s first round of tariffs bankrupted US farmers. Not only did you, as a taxpayer, lose because of high prices caused by tariffs, you also had to pay to bail out that Trump gave to US farmers.

[Dwight]

He's right. There will indeed be temporary hardship. You can't erase the cost of the scamdemic by making the right choice in 2024. You have to pay for the mistakes you made in 2020 first. You can choose to either dig yourself into deeper debt and inflation with the Democrats or you can start digging your way out of debt by once again respecting the right to private property. But you don't get to just erase the debt Biden has left us as you would someone who fraudulently runs up a bill on your credit card.

Donald Trump

President Trump took office in 2017. By the end of his term four years later, he was estimated to hold $6.6 trillion in deficits, a 33% increase. The CBO predicted that the COVID-19 pandemic would increase the FY 2020 deficit by $2.2 trillion and the FY 2021 deficit by $600 billion.10

In March 2020, Trump declared a state of emergency as the pandemic broke out in the United States. Nonessential businesses closed, and Americans were urged to shelter in place. Congress passed the $2 trillion CARES Act, along with other stimulus measures. The combination of reduced tax receipts and increased stimulus spending created record deficit levels.

All before Biden took office.

He had huge deficits before the pandemic too. Tariffs did bring in more, but then he spent a big chunk of it on farmers that were negatively impacted by the tariffs.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-Trump

[ajax18]

He's right. There will indeed be temporary hardship. You can't erase the cost of the scamdemic by making the right choice in 2024. You have to pay for the mistakes you made in 2020 first. You can choose to either dig yourself into deeper debt and inflation with the Democrats or you can start digging your way out of debt by once again respecting the right to private property. But you don't get to just erase the debt Biden has left us as you would someone who fraudulently runs up a bill on your credit card.

Donald Trump

President Trump took office in 2017. By the end of his term four years later, he was estimated to hold $6.6 trillion in deficits, a 33% increase. The CBO predicted that the COVID-19 pandemic would increase the FY 2020 deficit by $2.2 trillion and the FY 2021 deficit by $600 billion.10

In March 2020, Trump declared a state of emergency as the pandemic broke out in the United States. Nonessential businesses closed, and Americans were urged to shelter in place. Congress passed the $2 trillion CARES Act, along with other stimulus measures. The combination of reduced tax receipts and increased stimulus spending created record deficit levels.

All before Biden took office.

He had huge deficits before the pandemic too. Tariffs did bring in more, but then he spent a big chunk of it on farmers that were negatively impacted by the tariffs.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-Trump

Anyone voting is more than 4 years old and thus should remember who demaded the lockdowns and kept people out of work long after we knew that 99.96% of people under 70 with no comorbities were not at risk for death or disabilities. The fact that democratic socialist Europe was even more cowardly and foolish is no excuse. You made a bad call and now we're all stuck paying a horrendous price for it.

[Dwight]

But Trump made things bad before the lockdowns, so if he had done a better job maybe even if Biden kept things locked down too much for too long we would be better off. It's amazing that anyone that has as many bankruptcies as Trump is looked to for his financial acumen.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

All before Biden took office.

He had huge deficits before the pandemic too. Tariffs did bring in more, but then he spent a big chunk of it on farmers that were negatively impacted by the tariffs.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-Trump

Anyone voting is more than 4 years old and thus should remember who demaded the lockdowns and kept people out of work long after we knew that 99.96% of people under 70 with no comorbities were not at risk for death or disabilities. The fact that democratic socialist Europe was even more cowardly and foolish is no excuse. You made a call and now we're all stuck paying a horrendous price for it.

So, Trump is weak? He was a weak President? Man you can’t keep it all straight in your brain, ajax.

[Res Ipsa]

All before Biden took office.

He had huge deficits before the pandemic too. Tariffs did bring in more, but then he spent a big chunk of it on farmers that were negatively impacted by the tariffs.

https://www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-Trump

Anyone voting is more than 4 years old and thus should remember who demaded the lockdowns and kept people out of work long after we knew that 99.96% of people under 70 with no comorbities were not at risk for death or disabilities. The fact that democratic socialist Europe was even more cowardly and foolish is no excuse. You made a call and now we're all stuck paying a horrendous price for it.

Don’t gaslight me, bro. I was on the bleeding edge of the lockdowns. We have a damn good hospital system in the Seattle area. And it was being crushed by the sheer numbers of patients combined with the complete absence of PPE.

No Governor wanted to lock down their states economy. That’s your 100% paranoid delusion. The governors that imposed any type of lockdown did so because they were facing a complete breakdown of their healthcare structure. What you deliberately close your eyes to is the reality of the situation facing my governors and others: nobody gets healthcare. Appendicitis is a death sentence. A heart attack is a death sentence. Dozens and dozens of other health problems escalate from very treatable conditions to death sentences.

There was one, and only one, US politician who took steps to shut the economy down when it wasn’t necessary was Donald Trump. With the public catching onto the fact that Trump had utterly failed Americans by doing the wrong thing and not doing the right things, he tried to keep the stock market looking good with a program encouraging lockdowns nationwide.

Now, I’m working from memory, but my recollection is that this national program was posted by Trump even though there had not been a single case of Covid in West Virginia. There was no reason to try flatten a curve that didn’t exist in West Virginia and many other areas of the country.

What those areas fortunate enough to not be victims of the initial, undetected entry and exponential spread of the disease needed was testing and the type of disease surveillance we routinely conduct with flu. Trump, however, expressed distaste for testing because it made his numbers look bad.

What he also failed to do was work with the private sector to manufacture the PPE that would prevent doctors and nurses from getting too sick to work or become The spreaders of infection throughout an entire hospital. He appointed his supremely unqualified son in law to head up an effort to get doctors PPE. And when American PPE manufacturers got together and created a plan for how government and private industry could get our doctors and nurses what they needed, the son in law told them flat out that he would not do anything that would allow the government to take any credit at all for fixing the problem. All Trump had to do was use his legal authority to sign an order that would make sure the manufacturers got paid for Walker they produced. Trump refused. Instead, he sabotaged the states that were trying procure the PPE they needed by bidding against them for foreign manufactured PPE.

If you want to be liar Mclieface, be my guest. But don’t expect the rest of us to put up with your paranoia fantasies.