If you hate a person, then you are defeated by them.

[ceeboo]

No, I can't "you you that."

Moron!

It was supposed to be “can you justify that?” But I guess my phone and I ended up with it a bit non-sensical. Just like your defense of Trump.

Here is something I can definitely justify: Never engaging with you on this board again.

Moron!

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Homicide Arrest Rates in Texas (per 100,000 individuals):
Undocumented Immigrants: 1.9
U.S.-Born Citizens: 4.8

On what planet do you think that's a legitimate response? How do you think the parents of the 12-year-old girl would react to your stats? Ridiculous!

As a country, we have no choice but to deal with the horrific murderers that are citizens of our country. We should NOT have to deal with horrific murderers that shouldn't even be here to commit the murder in the first place.

It’s a legitimate response because out of the millions of immigrants that make this country great, their crime rate is less than three times that of us citizens. You want to punish, and believe you me it’s punishment, to rip all the good and productive people out of their homes and lives and send them away.

Jesus’ family experienced, did they not, what we might understand today as being immigrants or refugees. The Gospel of Matthew described, shortly after Jesus' birth, King Herod issuing a decree to kill all male infants in Bethlehem, leading Joseph and Mary to flee to Egypt with Jesus to escape persecution. This flight made them refugee immigrants, not unlike we see today south of the border or elsewhere, seeking safety in a foreign land.

Only after Herod's death they returned to their homeland, settling in Nazareth. This experience of fleeing from danger, living in a foreign country, and then returning echoes the experiences of many displaced finding a life and safety in our country.

Your cruelty is shocking, but not surprising.

- Doc

[canpakes]

No President has ever ‘closed the border of our country’. Not even Trump.

“Somebody is getting something that they don’t deserve ..!”

Are you thinking of the murdered 12-year-old American citizen Jocelyn Nungaray? Or Laken Riley? Or Rachel Morin?

Or did you have something else in mind when you suggest "somebody getting something that they don't deserve?"

You apparently had ‘something else in mind’ when you mentioned that immigrants were getting “medical/housing/food/phones/expenses”. Anyhow …

Citizen murderers currently outnumber non-citizen murderers, in total numbers and as a percentage of each category. Maybe that implies that you’d have a lesser chance of being murdered if your neighbors were immigrants.

That aside, your odd statement prompts some questions:

- Are you implying that citizen murderers do not require your or my attention, or are not worth your mention?

- Would you suddenly be less keen on listing the names of your three victims if their murderers had just received their citizenship 2 hours prior?

- Should we shut down all immigration, even if legal, because a young woman (specifically) could be murdered by a legal immigrant at some point?

- Are you bothered by that fact that Trump and right wing media - along with yourself - are politicizing their deaths?

Work on those four and get back to me if you have answers.

[ceeboo]

On what planet do you think that's a legitimate response? How do you think the parents of the 12-year-old girl would react to your stats? Ridiculous!

As a country, we have no choice but to deal with the horrific murderers that are citizens of our country. We should NOT have to deal with horrific murderers that shouldn't even be here to commit the murder in the first place.

It’s a legitimate response because out of the millions of immigrants that make this country great, their crime rate is less than three times that of us citizens.

So now you're talking about the millions of immigrants that make this country great? I thought we were talking about the millions of illegal immigrants that have entered the country recently and illegally and unvetted.

You want to punish, and believe you me it’s punishment, to rip all the good and productive people out of their homes and lives and send them away.

I want to do none of that - Unless you're suggesting that the illegal immigrant that murdered a 12-year-old American citizen (what we have discussing) is one of these "good and productive people."

Jesus’ family experienced, did they not, what we might understand today as being immigrants or refugees. The Gospel of Matthew described, shortly after Jesus' birth, King Herod issuing a decree to kill all male infants in Bethlehem, leading Joseph and Mary to flee to Egypt with Jesus to escape persecution. This flight made them refugee immigrants, not unlike we see today south of the border or elsewhere, seeking safety in a foreign land.

Only after Herod's death they returned to their homeland, settling in Nazareth. This experience of fleeing from danger, living in a foreign country, and then returning echoes the experiences of many displaced finding a life and safety in our country.

That's rich - The guy who spends a fair amount of his time mocking and ridiculing the Bible and Christians is now appealing to the Bible. Forgive me as I refuse to reply to your Biblical appeal.

Your cruelty is shocking, but not surprising.

I find it more than interesting that we see one another as cruel. I see three options: One of us is correct - Both of us are correct - Neither of us are correct.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

I’m talking about the reality that may happen when DJT using the pretext you’re using to forcibly remove millions of immigrants, knowing where this’ll lead. How could you as a Christian man support this monstrous policy? Yes, some innocents have been victimized, but you know this is a fallen world and nothing will change that innocents will always be victimized. What you’re proposing to do by voting for that maniac will get a lot of people killed, and cause untold suffering to innocents themselves.

- Doc

[canpakes]

… Unless you're suggesting that the illegal immigrant that murdered a 12-year-old American citizen (what we have discussing) is one of these "good and productive people."

You’ve been suckered, and you’re backing the wrong candidate. Here’s what Trump’s record on this is, as reported by the CATO imstitute:

- On his fourth day in office, Trump signed an executive order rescinding Obama-era policies that prioritized the detention and removal of serious public safety threats;

- Within a few months, his administration was secretly separating families, using prosecutorial resources to jail migrant parents and focusing resources on visa overstays, not serious criminals;

- During the height of family separation, Trump deprioritized prosecuting migrants with criminal histories to instead spend resources on separating families;

- While Trump poured resources into detaining asylum seekers, he also released nearly 58,184 noncitizens with criminal records, including 8,620 violent criminals and 306 murderers;

- ICE ended up (re)arresting nearly 11,000 noncitizens who entered under Trump and were convicted of non-immigration crimes, including rape and murder; and
Trump’s policies incentivized migrant criminals to enter, triggering a threefold increase in the number of convicted criminals attempting to cross the border illegally.

https://www.cato.org/blog/Trump-release ... um-seekers

Ceeboo, why would you vote for the guy who made it easier for murderers and rapists to enter the country? Because, that’s what you did before, and you’re vowing to do it again.

[Gadianton]

Thanks for that information Canpakes. Looking forward to listening to the crickets.

[yellowstone123]

When I write something that I believe in and something appears in my mind or during research that demonstrates something counter, do I acknowledge that in my writing or not?

This whole thing on immigration is very interesting: clearly President Trump was doing things that troubled people on immigration but so was President Obama. Here is NPR fact checking a speech Michelle Obama gave on immigrants and she did this with full knowledge of what her husband put in place when he was in the White House.

https://apnews.com/article/election-202 ... becfc7a5f3

[Marcus]

No, I can't "you you that."

Moron!

It was supposed to be “can you justify that?” But I guess my phone and I ended up with it a bit non-sensical. Just like your defense of Trump.

Here is something I can definitely justify: Never engaging with you on this board again.

Moron!

Also...

...And I do not repeatedly call those who disagree with me a moron...

He has other reasons, I suppose...

[Marcus]

Thanks for that information Canpakes. Looking forward to listening to the crickets.

Ditto. I've got a right wing friend who constantly asks for 'facts' from me, but refuses to look up facts on their own. This helps in yet another category.

Brandolini's Law:

The amount of energy needed to refute BS is an order of magnitude bigger than that needed to produce it.