Mass deportations of undocumented immigrants

[Jersey Girl]

Please stop derailing this topic.

[Kishkumen]

Simple question: Practically speaking, how does one go about rounding up undocumented immigrants all over the United States for mass deportation?

Hire a company or companies to do it for you. Kind of like the prison industry. Don’t put it past Trump to hire a big donor’s company to handle this.

[Gadianton]

The plan I'm aware of thus far comes from Trump's guy Tom Homan, who Trump has plugged as mean and nasty looking. Homan was also his czar during his first term, but then after Biden defeated Trump with a record number of real votes in 2020, found his real calling at Fox News, where he could make a lot more money capitalizing on looking mean and talking tough. Tom's persona, whether true or a classic grift, is that of a paranoid-as-hell neo-Nazi. His talking points have often been culled from the culture of QAnon with its fake statistics and "in the name of the children" rally cries. Separating parents from kids as a deterrent was his idea; big child advocate. Neo-Nazi rhetoric is famous for making extreme statements and then later claiming misunderstand. In response to criticisms about separating undocumented family members from family members, he said they can deport the whole family, implying some kind of scheme to undo or ignore the status of the legal family, presumably in the name of "aiding and abetting." Then he claimed misunderstanding later saying legal immigrants are safe.

His proposed playbook is "shock and awe" as he says, with large workplace raids, and in particular he's talking tough to his base about how he's going to go into blue states and conduct these workplace raids. That's interesting, as there would hardly be time to get started red states let alone blue states, but what Trump's base wants to hear is the culture war: how Trump's guy is going to go into California and clean out illegals as the liberals cry about it.

As Dr. E said elsewhere, it's going to be Christmas for immigration lawyers, as all of these must be pushed through the courts first. I'm assuming that with all branches of government under their control including the Supreme Court, their objective is to find a way to circumvent due process, so they can round up and expel without a hearing. That's the only way it could achieve "mass" status, and if they could get that far, then that is the path to deporting legal immigrants also, as a citizen may not have clear documentation and if it's a workplace raid -- well, does anyone here go to work with a passport?

[Moksha]

Most of the people the Right wing considers "illegal" aren't really illegal at all, because asylum is a legal process.

Isn't that just a technicality in ethnic cleansing?

[huckelberry]

Well, just like that big wall, Mexico can pay for it all.

I do think there is a large difficulty in finding all of those people. Some could be found with employer raids, search those asparagus fields, run through the onions... But there are Spanish speaking people in all sorts of jobs. You could go to a pizza place, order a pizza, but have ICE raid the kitchen and you do not get your pizza. You could be half way through having your home reroofed and find workers being led away.

Quicky courts could be set up for deportation mills. I am sure a bunch of folks could be found to deport even if not remotely close in numbers in campaign imagery.

I do not know, but it crossed my mind to wonder how it would work if other countries refused to receive the deported. I suppose military force could be threatened. Or the whole project could wander around in circles.

[Gunnar]

I do not know, but it crossed my mind to wonder how it would work if other countries refused to receive the deported. I suppose military force could be threatened. Or the whole project could wander around in circles.

That has often crossed my mind as well. How could they force nations to accept the deportees if they were adamantly opposed to doing so? What would the U.S. government do if another nation tried to deport someone to our country that our government refused to accept?

[Dr Exiled]

My guess is that there will be more ICE holds in jails where ICE (immigration and customs enforcement) asks the jail to hold the prisoner for an extra 48 hours for ICE to see if it wants to take custody and/or start deportation proceedings. Local law enforcement doesn't have to agree to it as it is merely a request. So, I could see some politicking after requests are denied in certain jurisdictions. Restaurants, construction sites, and other areas with low paying jobs will be a targeted, I assume, and I think the new border czar said as much. However, business likes low wages and I wonder how much will be show and how much will be real change. I don't know. I think there will definitely be some political headline grabbing enforcement for sure, perhaps in Los Angeles.

If Trump really wanted to round up the undocumented, he would focus on every employer and force them to comply with the immigration laws on the books already. https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/legal ... /penalties. https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/form-i-9-resources. He'd also work to make other countries more attractive economically instead of what we've been doing. But that is probably a pipe dream.

We'll see. However, my immigration paralegal client tells me that a lot of his clients are scared about what will happen.

[¥akaSteelhead]

Declare an "emergency" then start utilizing the military to police the citizenry.....

Straight out of what playbook again?

https://thehill.com/latino/4995809-trum ... rn-border/

[Doctor Steuss]

Simple question: Practically speaking, how does one go about rounding up undocumented immigrants all over the United States for mass deportation?

Hire a company or companies to do it for you. Kind of like the prison industry. Don’t put it past Trump to hire a big donor’s company to handle this.

This is how I see it likely playing out, if he follows through. Just like the private companies he used for his cruelty-based separation policy that resulted in over a thousand kids 6 years later kidnapped by the government and never returned to their families, women who were sterilized without consent, and kids drugged into submission, there's likely to be significant abuse and no meaningful oversight of the private companies.

[ajax18]

As Dr. E said elsewhere, it's going to be Christmas for immigration lawyers

I don't think the founding fathers thought due process meant that the American taxpayer is on the hook for 6 billion asylum cases/year and providing social welfare and public services for the next five years while we slog through the backlog. This is abuse of the asylum system and thankfully the American people have been hit in the pocketbook hard enough that they have voted to put a stop to it.