Mass deportations of undocumented immigrants

[Bret Ripley]

6 BBBilllllllion asylum cases per year in a country with a population of 330 million!!!! No wonder I can't go to the grocery store without running into a mass of people that look illegal. Haha.

I'm sure ajax 18 meant a different number. Here is what the department of homeland security says: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration ... low-report

What I mean is that it could potentially be everyone in the world could come to the border and file for political asylum. Granted that hasn't happened yet, but it's headed that way

(Now that I think about it, this is probably the sort of thing I should have expected when The Onion bought Infowars.)

[Dr Exiled]

6 BBBilllllllion asylum cases per year in a country with a population of 330 million!!!! No wonder I can't go to the grocery store without running into a mass of people that look illegal. Haha.

I'm sure ajax 18 meant a different number. Here is what the department of homeland security says: https://ohss.dhs.gov/topics/immigration ... low-report

What I mean is that it could potentially be everyone in the world could come to the border and file for political asylum. Granted that hasn't happened yet, but it's headed that way, and our system is still way more than the taxpayer can afford right now. Asylum shouldn't mean anyone and everyone can come to the US and make this kind of claim on the US Taxpayer.

The asylee report says 456,750 filed in 2023 for asylum.

What about the other 10 million that arrived in the last four years?

By the way, I play golf in a mexican league and a lot of them voted for Trump surprisingly. They are catholic and/or businessmen and I guess religion and economics "Trumped" their decision making.

And I think they would be in favor of a merit based immigration system as opposed to the system Democrats and establishment Retpublicans gave us for the past 50 years, where you just come in univited, shout "Asylum" and you're in for the next five years, and in response to the original post, never to be deported because it's impossible to deport you at that point.

This is what I like to push against - political exaggerations that don't do anyone any good. The whole world isn't coming here and there won't be 10 million asylum petitions any time soon. I'm for orderly immigration, against open borders and for respect for our fellow human beings that come here for the same reasons our ancestors did. The reason why I am thinking of doing immigration is that I get asked about it all the time since I am doing half my consults in spanish anyway. There will be a demand that needs to be met. Also, Trump will take a chainsaw, for political reasons, to what probably needs a surgical knife.

[ajax18]

This is what I like to push against - political exaggerations that don't do anyone any good. The whole world isn't coming here and there won't be 10 million asylum petitions any time soon.

How much does it cost the US taxpayer to hear each asylum case? Asylum should be for political refugees, not economic refugees.

I'm for orderly immigration, against open borders and for respect for our fellow human beings that come here for the same reasons our ancestors did.

I'm for a merit based immigration system where we bring people into the country that can contribute rather than more people for the taxpayer to support. It shouldn't take 2 years and $10k to bring in talented people with skills in critical need areas. On the other hand if you have no skills, no English language proficiency, and the only reason you're a candidate for citizenship is that you came here illegally and no politician was willing to stop you, or you had a child while you were here illegally, than that's not merit based immigration. It's not in the interest of American citizens. It's not what American citizens voted for and it's not even democratic! If by humane treatment of our fellow human beings you mean that you can't stop people at the border, you have to pay who knows how much in legal fees and welfare while they wait here five years, and ultimately you can't deport them, than you are essentially supporting open borders and you're not upholding the US as a sovereign democracy of taxpaying citizens.

The reason why I am thinking of doing immigration is that I get asked about it all the time since I am doing half my consults in spanish anyway. There will be a demand that needs to be met. Also, Trump will take a chainsaw, for political reasons, to what probably needs a surgical knife.

Did you learn spanish as a missionary as well. As I said, I love my latino brethren in the Church. Most of them voted for Trump with me. I might even sponsor some of them financially to get their citiizenship. Trump talks big sometimes and doesn't end up being as far right as he sounds. Neither he nor I are anti immigrant. What I am for is putting the American people first. Immigrants who come willing and able to speak English, preferably with some skills, work, not have children before they're married, are people we're lucky to have. Last time the left wouldn't even allow Trump to stop the flow of illegal immigrants, let alone deport anyone. It really doesn't make any sense to talk about any of this until we are willing to enforce the border. Deportation means nothing if you can just come right back in. And that is no exaggeration. That's exactly what's been happening for way too long.

[Jersey Girl]

Sorry I haven't gotten back to this thread. Haven't had a chance to read all the replies yet either. When I wrote this OP here's a couple or three things that were on my mind and I wanted to see if others had been thinking along these lines. I know Gunnar was and made the first reply. Anyway...here goes.

1. The actual logistics of rounding up a massive amount of people throughout the US, though I guess border states and urban areas might be targeted for "raids"?

2. Breaking already existing laws re: undocumented immigrants. Then glutting up the courts for what I assume would be years with individual and possible class action lawsuits to challenge the existing laws or even the "orders" given from President to various agencies and such.

3. Thirdly, and perhaps most critical in my mind: Separating children born here in the US from their undocumented parents. I think I read they are covered under the 14th ammendment. The last thing I, personally, would want to see is yet another large population of children's development thwarted and affected for life due to separation. And when I say yet another I'm talking about the first Trump term where they separated families at the southern border.

That said, I do think this country needs to address undocumented immigrants. I don't see that any of the above are the appropriate way to do it. More like Trump taking a stab at it and dragging it out until we forget about or grow weary of it in favor of the next shiny object he dangles in front of us.

I'll be back...

[Gadianton]

rather than more people for the taxpayer to support.

So, the talk is using work site raids to get the big numbers. the folks at work sites are unlikely to be supported by the taxpayer.

[Jersey Girl]

rather than more people for the taxpayer to support.

So, the talk is using work site raids to get the big numbers. the folks at work sites are unlikely to be supported by the taxpayer.

I'll never catch up here. I assume that's ajax's comment you are replying to here. I did some quick searching last night and undocumented immigrants also pay taxes in the US. If that's the case then it's not like they aren't contributing. So...how would that factor in to the above exchange? If you think it's irrelevant just skip the question.

[ajax18]

Sorry I haven't gotten back to this thread. Haven't had a chance to read all the replies yet either. When I wrote this OP here's a couple or three things that were on my mind and I wanted to see if others had been thinking along these lines. I know Gunnar was and made the first reply. Anyway...here goes.

1. The actual logistics of rounding up a massive amount of people throughout the US, though I guess border states and urban areas might be targeted for "raids"?

2. Breaking already existing laws re: undocumented immigrants. Then glutting up the courts for what I assume would be years with individual and possible class action lawsuits to challenge the existing laws or even the "orders" given from President to various agencies and such.

3. Thirdly, and perhaps most critical in my mind: Separating children born here in the US from their undocumented parents. I think I read they are covered under the 14th ammendment. The last thing I, personally, would want to see is yet another large population of children's development thwarted and affected for life due to separation. And when I say yet another I'm talking about the first Trump term where they separated families at the southern border.

That said, I do think this country needs to address undocumented immigrants. I don't see that any of the above are the appropriate way to do it. More like Trump taking a stab at it and dragging it out until we forget about or grow weary of it in favor of the next shiny object he dangles in front of us.

I'll be back...

How exactly would you be willing to place any limits on immigration? How would you do it if you're not willing to stop people from entering illegally nor deport them since by your own admission both are impossible without violating the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Or by address do you just mean pass laws to open the borders such that everyone who wants can come and
be a US Citizen. If you're willing to grant that to people who entered illegally, how is it fair not to do that for every non US citizen?

[canpakes]

That said, I do think this country needs to address undocumented immigrants. I don't see that any of the above are the appropriate way to do it. More like Trump taking a stab at it and dragging it out until we forget about or grow weary of it in favor of the next shiny object he dangles in front of us.

I'll be back...

That’s also where I’m landing, as mentioned in the last part of one of my replies to ajax last month:

Ajax, I have to think that in your heart of hearts, you know that if he’s elected, Trump will never follow through with a serious effort to deport any significant number of illegal residents. He’ll make some bluster about it, enough to get the MAGA base all excited and happy over the possibility of seeing brown families tossed into trucks and hauled away, while grifters like Lara, Candace, Bannon and Carlson cash in on the supposed coming attractions. But, no matter how much Stephen Miller hides in a dark corner of the White House aggressively rubbing himself against his desk trying to massage his little Nazi trouser soldier to a remigration ejaculation over the possibilities, the whole scheme just isn’t going to move past basic court challenges and administrative incompetence. It’ll just be an expensive boondoggle that you’ll pay for first and make excuses for later, after Trump figures out a way to monetize his half-hearted effort to further enrich himself.

Trump is, of course, making lots of blustery noises about this, because he has to keep feeding the anger addiction of his base. But I don’t see that any of his proposed methods of enacting this policy are free from substantial legal or Constitutional hurdles. And, once started, he won’t be able to move fast enough to avoid the inevitable public opinion and economic blowback that will result from it. When that happens, not even MAGA’s angry voters will be able to keep Trump from squelching the plan down to a trickle (while proclaiming a win), because if there’s anything that anyone can count on about Trump, it’s his sense of self-preservation.

[Kishkumen]

Hire a company or companies to do it for you. Kind of like the prison industry. Don’t put it past Trump to hire a big donor’s company to handle this.

This is how I see it likely playing out, if he follows through. Just like the private companies he used for his cruelty-based separation policy that resulted in over a thousand kids 6 years later kidnapped by the government and never returned to their families, women who were sterilized without consent, and kids drugged into submission, there's likely to be significant abuse and no meaningful oversight of the private companies.

I agree.

[Jersey Girl]

Sorry I haven't gotten back to this thread. Haven't had a chance to read all the replies yet either. When I wrote this OP here's a couple or three things that were on my mind and I wanted to see if others had been thinking along these lines. I know Gunnar was and made the first reply. Anyway...here goes.

1. The actual logistics of rounding up a massive amount of people throughout the US, though I guess border states and urban areas might be targeted for "raids"?

2. Breaking already existing laws re: undocumented immigrants. Then glutting up the courts for what I assume would be years with individual and possible class action lawsuits to challenge the existing laws or even the "orders" given from President to various agencies and such.

3. Thirdly, and perhaps most critical in my mind: Separating children born here in the US from their undocumented parents. I think I read they are covered under the 14th ammendment. The last thing I, personally, would want to see is yet another large population of children's development thwarted and affected for life due to separation. And when I say yet another I'm talking about the first Trump term where they separated families at the southern border.

That said, I do think this country needs to address undocumented immigrants. I don't see that any of the above are the appropriate way to do it. More like Trump taking a stab at it and dragging it out until we forget about or grow weary of it in favor of the next shiny object he dangles in front of us.

I'll be back...

How exactly would you be willing to place any limits on immigration? How would you do it if you're not willing to stop people from entering illegally nor deport them since by your own admission both are impossible without violating the civil rights of illegal aliens.

Or by address do you just mean pass laws to open the borders such that everyone who wants can come and
be a US Citizen. If you're willing to grant that to people who entered illegally, how is it fair not to do that for every non US citizen?

Why can't I close the border? Where'd I say it's impossible?

We simply build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

How's that sound to you?