Mass deportations of undocumented immigrants

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canpakes wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2024 4:12 am
Trump is, of course, making lots of blustery noises about this, because he has to keep feeding the anger addiction of his base. But I don’t see that any of his proposed methods of enacting this policy are free from substantial legal or Constitutional hurdles. And, once started, he won’t be able to move fast enough to avoid the inevitable public opinion and economic blowback that will result from it. When that happens, not even MAGA’s angry voters will be able to keep Trump from squelching the plan down to a trickle (while proclaiming a win), because if there’s anything that anyone can count on about Trump, it’s his sense of self-preservation.
Trump couldn't care less about any legal or Constitutional hurdles, no matter how substantial. He knows he can't be legally reelected again and considers himself invincible, so he figures he has nothing to lose by anything he tries to do, no matter how unlawful, unconstitutional, unethical, or immoral. He'll order his appointees to do anything that serves his selfish ends, no matter how illegal or unethical, and fire them if they won't. Even if the Supreme Court rules hard against him, he will probably just do what his hero Andrew Jackson did when the Supreme Court ruled against his cruel, forced migration of Eastern Indian tribes to Oklahoma in the infamous "Trail of Tears" and dared the Court to try to enforce their decision themselves, if they didn't like what he was doing.

Unless a substantial number of Republicans who secretly disapprove of what he is trying to do finally find their spines and publicly oppose his worst inclinations, we are probably all screwed for the next 4 years and probably longer.
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Unless a substantial number of Republicans who secretly disapprove of what he is trying to do finally find their spines and publicly oppose his worst inclinations, we are probably all screwed for the next 4 years and probably longer.
The Administrative State seems to think so!

Report: Top CIA, National Intelligence Watchdogs Resign Before Trump Takes Office
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Inspectors general for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI) are heading for the exit before the new Trump administration takes power, the Project on Government Oversight (POGO) reported Monday.

The departure of the agency watchdogs represents some of the first officials to remove themselves from the administrative state before President-elect Donald Trump takes office. Trump has vowed rid the federal bureaucracy of rogue and corrupt actors.

To carry out those reforms, Trump nominated John Ratcliffe, the former director of national intelligence from 2020 to 2021, to lead the CIA. He also nominated Tulsi Gabbard, a former Democrat congresswoman from Hawaii, to be Director of National Intelligence.

One of the departing inspectors general, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence’s Thomas Monheim, first took his watchdog role after Trump fired his predecessor Michael Atkinson in the spring of 2020. Atkinson had transmitted a whistleblower complaint to Congress that sparked

Monheim and his counterpart at the CIA, Robin Ashton, were both nominated by Biden and confirmed by the Senate in 2021 (Monheim began serving as acting inspector general the year before, during the first Trump administration)

Appointed by the president and housed within executive agencies, inspectors general investigate waste, fraud, and abuse of power and are responsible for reporting wrongdoing both to agency directors and to Congress. Oversight by inspectors general has long been considered to be more important when both the executive branch and Congress are under control of the same political party.

The term “administrative state” specifically describes the phenomenon of unaccountable and unelected administrative agencies, including the national security apparatus, exercising power to create and enforce their own rules. The administrative state uses its rule-making ability to essentially usurp the separation of powers between the three branches of government by creating a so-called fourth branch of government not formed by the Constitution.

Many unelected bureaucrats within the administrative state also use their position to inflict their own agenda on citizens. For instance, before the “laptop from hell” story broke in 2020, 51 intel officials signed a letter that insinuated Hunter’s laptop was Russian disinformation. Politico peddled the letter under the title “Hunter Biden story is Russian disinfo, dozens of former intel officials say.” The 51 signatories, however, seemingly knew the Politico story was false at the time because the FBI had the laptop that Hunter abandoned at a Delaware computer repair shop. President Joe Biden cited the story during a 2020 presidential debate with Trump to discredit the laptop’s contents. The story was reportedly planted by Secretary of State Antony Blinken for Biden to use during the event.
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Many unelected bureaucrats within the administrative state also use their position to inflict their own agenda on citizens.
News for 10-year-olds.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:28 am
Many unelected bureaucrats within the administrative state also use their position to inflict their own agenda on citizens.
News for 10-year-olds.
In case you or Brackite ever want to ask me what the deep state means.
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:32 am
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:28 am
News for 10-year-olds.
In case you or Brackite ever want to ask me what the deep state means.
In large part, the deep state means dedicated scientists and other highly educated and trained specialists with valuable expertise who understand more about the consequences of bad decisions made or proposed by clueless, under educated and bigoted elected officials than the vast majority of politicians, especially hard right conservatives, most particularly Christian Nationalists. Many of these popular MAGA types (such as Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Bobert) are as ignorant as stumps about practically everything, including history, religion and especially basic science and how the Universe actually works.
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Gunnar wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:55 am
ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:32 am
In case you or Brackite ever want to ask me what the deep state means.
In large part, the deep state means dedicated scientists and other highly educated and trained specialists with valuable expertise who understand more about the consequences of bad decisions made or proposed by clueless, under educated and bigoted elected officials than the vast majority of politicians, especially hard right conservatives, most particularly Christian Nationalists. Many of these popular MAGA types (such as Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Bobert) are as ignorant as stumps about practically everything, including history, religion and especially basic science and how the Universe actually works.
Saviors of democracy right?
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:59 am
Gunnar wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:55 am
In large part, the deep state means dedicated scientists and other highly educated and trained specialists with valuable expertise who understand more about the consequences of bad decisions made or proposed by clueless, under educated and bigoted elected officials than the vast majority of politicians, especially hard right conservatives, most particularly Christian Nationalists. Many of these popular MAGA types (such as Marjorie Taylor-Greene and Bobert) are as ignorant as stumps about practically everything, including history, religion and especially basic science and how the Universe actually works.
Saviors of democracy right?
More likely so than supporters of Trump who has openly expressed his admiration for and defense of undoubted despots like Putin and Kim Jong Un!
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ajax18 wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 10:59 am
Saviors of democracy right?
Strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
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Ajax, imagine a world where your MAGA friends and neighbors voted on their local optometrists and picked local news anchors who they recognized from TV to work on their eyes. At some point, somebody has to actually know something for the world you live in to function.
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Gadianton wrote:
Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:29 pm
Ajax, imagine a world where your MAGA friends and neighbors voted on their local optometrists and picked local news anchors who they recognized from TV to work on their eyes. At some point, somebody has to actually know something for the world you live in to function.
What did Pete Buttigieg know about transportation? At least when he went on paternity leave for 2 months he wasn't missed. What did Biden know for that matter? What about Biden's secretary of defense who left for surgery and didn't even inform anyone he'd be out?
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