Mass deportations of undocumented immigrants

[Moksha]

And more often than not, these stereotypes turn out to be correct.

Do you mean like those with an (R) after their name are Grupen SS squad leaders operating the incineration ovens for migrants and trans-people?

[Gadianton]

it doesn't really matter to me if Matt Gaetz had sex with a minor if he goes in and cleans out the deep state

which meant a lot more inaction than was healthy

You and pals began relying on this for your justification of Donald Trump: He's got some quirks, but golly he takes action. And now you're increasingly going to rely on it with his picks, other people like him, "action takers" who talk big on Twitter or Fox News. Let's go back to the point I was trying to make that went sideways a bit. I agree with Steuss and pakes that the incompetency of some of these folks for the roles is stunning, but that's not what I meant exactly. You can have a less experienced action taker who comes in as a bottle that can handle the new wine. Sometimes experience is overpriced. I've seen this myself when I was working for a growing financial company that spent a ton of money recruiting top executives from big names who came in and did nothing. Or rather, they just assumed that the windfall they were there for at their old place meant that if they tried to make the new company like their old company, it would succeed.

The way you and Ceebs talk, you want a dictator who cuts through the deep state and does things however they want. Well, your first problem is that Donald Trump isn't Josef Stalin. Stalin showed up every day to work a 12-hour shift, not to golf and tweet. Stalin was the leader you want who did everything from personally ordering the parts for his jeeps to setting interest rates. It was as simpler time, but even compensating for that, Trump isn't a CEO, he's the sales guy. He's not a leader, he's a salesman. I just listened to an update from Zeihan this morning on chips and tariffs. He mentioned that the difference between Trump and Biden on Tariffs is that Trump talks big, sets the policy, but then the Chinese found creative ways around the policy. Biden, the house plant, plugged the holes and actually enforced the policies.

So lets dispense with the idea that Trump will get rid of the deep state and call all the shots which not only includes executive orders via Truth Social, but follow through. He's just not that guy. So let's be clear about want you really mean: you're not going rid yourself of the deep state, you want the deep state, you just want them as a fascist deep state. Fine. But the executives also need to be more about their jobs than sticking their faces in the camera on Fox news. Or if not his direct picks, the people reporting to the direct picks must be willing to do the heavy lifting. Somewhere down the line, people need to be both motivated and knowledgeable. This leads to a contradiction in some cases. For instance, if you have conspiracy theorists and Trump stooges heading up health and education, there is going to be a resistance level as you dig deeper, finding people who are actually motivated about health and education but yet don't believe in either health science or actual education but only fascist propaganda.

At best, if Trump's picks can cut through the deep state, their best prospect is collapsing entire government departments and then I guess you can say it's a win after the fact as states will decide -- they'll just have to ignore the federal government and do their own thing.

[Moksha]

Family Sunday dinner in the new Trumpian nation will be Sauerbraten, Spätzle, and Red Cabbage. Why? To show our Aryan roots so that we may escape deportation. Can't count on Ajax vouching for everyone.

[ajax18]

At best, if Trump's picks can cut through the deep state, their best prospect is collapsing entire government departments and then I guess you can say it's a win after the fact as states will decide -- they'll just have to ignore the federal government and do their own thing.

Kind of like Governor Abbot ignored the Biden administration mandate to leave the border open and started enforcing it themselves. We need to keep on bussing illegals to Boston and places where they have vowed not to allow the Trump administration to enforce the border.

One thing I did want to tell you Gadianton before I forget. You turned out to be right about Putin not using nuclear weapons.

[Gadianton]

Kind of like Governor Abbot ignored the Biden administration mandate to leave the border open and stated enforcing it themselves. We need to keep up bussing illegals to Boston and places....

I kind of agree. I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying this, but border states can't be expected to take the brunt of caring for illegal immigrants. Others here are more knowledgeable I'm sure, but to the extent that there are no federal programs to help illegals in the states illegals crossed into due to federal failure to enforce the border (or due to request for amnesty), then I really don't have an issue with those states spreading the cost around the only way they can.

[drumdude]

Kind of like Governor Abbot ignored the Biden administration mandate to leave the border open and stated enforcing it themselves. We need to keep up bussing illegals to Boston and places....

I kind of agree. I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying this, but border states can't be expected to take the brunt of caring for illegal immigrants. Others here are more knowledgeable I'm sure, but to the extent that there are no federal programs to help illegals in the states illegals crossed into due to federal failure to enforce the border (or due to request for amnesty), then I really don't have an issue with those states spreading the cost around the only way they can.

The progressive governors looked like massive hypocrites when they asked for the busing to end.

Turns out virtue signaling is cheap and easy when you aren’t the one dealing with the illegals in your area.

[ajax18]

I kind of agree. I'm pretty sure I'm on record saying this, but border states can't be expected to take the brunt of caring for illegal immigrants. Others here are more knowledgeable I'm sure, but to the extent that there are no federal programs to help illegals in the states illegals crossed into due to federal failure to enforce the border (or due to request for amnesty), then I really don't have an issue with those states spreading the cost around the only way they can.

The progressive governors looked like massive hypocrites when they asked for the busing to end.

Turns out virtue signaling is cheap and easy when you aren’t the one dealing with the illegals in your area.

Why do you think the deep state wanted to charge De Santis and Abbot with felony human trafficking for doing it? Up until then it was easy to dismiss anyone who wanted the border enforced as just selfish mean and racist.

It's hard to argue that illegal immigrants bring wealth into the country when places like Marha's vineyard aren't willing to accept the massive amount of wealth Governor DeSantis and Abbot were offering them.

[canpakes]

It's hard to argue that illegal immigrants bring wealth into the country when places like Marha's vineyard aren't willing to accept the massive amount of wealth Governor DeSantis and Abbot was offering them.

Your statement makes as much sense as saying that you would be unable to bring wealth into the country anywhere through your work if places like Martha’s Vineyard already have plenty of optometrists.

[ajax18]

It's hard to argue that illegal immigrants bring wealth into the country when places like Marha's vineyard aren't willing to accept the massive amount of wealth Governor DeSantis and Abbot was offering them.

Your statement makes as much sense as saying that you would be unable to bring wealth into the country anywhere through your work if places like Martha’s Vineyard already have plenty of optometrists.

I'd just work for a lower rate. I'm sure the Massachusetts Board of Optometry would appreciate me cheapening the profession and gladly grant me a waiver on any licensure or certification dues.

[canpakes]

I'd just work for a lower rate.

Cool. I’m offering $2.10 an hour.

Start at 6 AM tomorrow?