Deeply moving essay from wife of a Trump supporter.

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canpakes wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:11 pm
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Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:39 pm

He never should have denied it was a problem in the beginning that would go away on its own. He shouldn't have criticized masks and vaccines. He shouldn't have suggested ingesting bleach or horse tranquillizer as possible cures. He also shouldn't have abolished Obama's pandemic readiness plans before COVID hit. And he certainly shouldn't have been giving the Russians COVID aid over Americans.

He could have actually implemented a federal wide plan for handling the crisis rather than letting all the states come up with their own disparate ones.
There are many reasons to see Trump as not qualified to lead the nation; his behavior during COVID was an example of his will to toss aside even the easiest chance to do the right thing in favor of putting on an amazing display of self-serving actions at the expense of so many Americans. For even the simplest mitigation efforts like masks or social distancing, he chose to aggressively foment and stoke anger and blame for the sole purpose of riling up his own base, rather than show the simple leadership and effort needed to define and unite us in purpose.

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One of my favorite things about the "Liberate Michigan" tweet is that the day prior, President Trump issued guidelines for Governors to follow, and the Governor of Michigan implemented only a fraction of those restrictive guidelines.

It's one of the most potent examples of Trump ironically blaming himself, but his supporters being too ignorant to know it.
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ceeboo wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:19 pm
No, I do not see anything wrong with comforting distraught people about the election - Truth be told, I am a fan of comforting distraught people no matter what is causing this mental pain.

As to the potential implications regarding the question you ask of me ("You do presumably?") - I will resist the temptation to ask you a question with similar frames and simply rest on the possibility that it was an unintended consequence that we all face when communicating with only written words on a screen.
I am relieved that your last post was not, after all, a callous expression of disregard for the genuine concern some people have over the bizarre and horrible reality of having as president a convicted felon and sexual assaulter who took away the right to choose to have an abortion.
I applaud your concern over the lives of women (I share them) - Is your concern over lives limited to women or does this concern go beyond women?
Is this about foetuses? What about hungry children who are not fed by tax cuts for billionaires?

There are good grounds to be really upset about countless things (I can even understand people being really upset over an election result)
And the number doesn’t invalidate any of them.
Of course you sympathize, you share the author's political ideology.
I don’t know that this is true. It may be that the author and I would disagree on many things. I used to think that not wanting to have an ignorant, felonious con artist as president would be something everyone with good sense could agree on and would be horrified to see happen. But then this happened.
Here is what I find interesting about your above quote: You make a statement (even suggesting it as factual) concerning a particular reason that the essay's author is "incredibly disturbed" over her husband and her husband's family - But, the author never mentions this particular reason in the essay, you did. So, I think you might be sympathizing with yourself?
Shrug. Maybe I wrongly assume she and I would agree on that. Guess you see that she and I do not need to be perfectly aligned ideologically to share our concern about a Trump presidency.
You think more than 77 million American citizens are no longer in their right minds?

I can't even imagine thinking something like that about 77 million individual human beings. Wow!
Why is that so shocking? Do you remember when executing people for witchcraft was a thing? I look at Trumpism as being akin to being a flat-earther or something like that. I could really like someone and find out they are a flat-earther. In other respects the person may be perfectly normal, but that person did catch a mind virus, and the Trump one is both virulent and destructive. It is a global pandemic in fact. Some people caught COVID, many but far from all of them died, and similarly authoritarianism is sweeping the globe. Trump is our sad version of the authoritarian pandemic.
As I am sure you understand, there is another side to that same coin - and "we" find ourselves in similar circumstances (Even if "we" don't author "deeply moving" essays about the person we married or their families or cancelling holidays)
Sure! I get it. I also know people gather to cry about how wonderful Russell M. Nelson is. I am also aware that people watch the Kardashians obsessively, or go to P Diddy parties. I can’t help but think of any of those things as slightly or even terribly (in some cases) off kilter. The authoritarian mind virus is much worse, but those who carry it definitely think people who fear them are the sick ones (snowflakes).
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Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) made what seemed to be another criticism of President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday, cautioning that the country is in a "dangerous" global situation similar to the years leading up to World War II, and pointing out that Trump's campaign slogan echoes that historical period.

“We’re in a very, very dangerous world right now, reminiscent of before World War II,” he told The Financial Times in an article published Wednesday. “Even the slogan is the same. 'America First.' That was what they said in the '30s."
The Ku Klux Klan adopted the slogan in the 1920s.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 4ce1&ei=23

Trump's slogan of America First was shouted by the American Nazi Party in the 1930s. You might say they were the first MAGAs.
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Morley wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:26 pm
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Wed Dec 11, 2024 9:18 am
I know exactly what NATO is for, but I disagree with it. It's a fatal alliance of the type that drew the world into a war once over a stupid assassination, then a second time over a megalomaniac trying to regain lost territory. Thanks to NATO, we've recreated that exact same powder keg, just waiting to trigger WWIII the next time some similarly foolish incident takes place.
Shades, you seem to be suggesting that the US (and possibly Europe) shouldn't have gotten itself involved in WWII. Will you clarify?
That’s exactly what I suggest.
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Thu Dec 12, 2024 12:21 pm
Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-KY) made what seemed to be another criticism of President-elect Donald Trump on Wednesday, cautioning that the country is in a "dangerous" global situation similar to the years leading up to World War II, and pointing out that Trump's campaign slogan echoes that historical period.

“We’re in a very, very dangerous world right now, reminiscent of before World War II,” he told The Financial Times in an article published Wednesday. “Even the slogan is the same. 'America First.' That was what they said in the '30s."
The Ku Klux Klan adopted the slogan in the 1920s.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 4ce1&ei=23

Trump's slogan of America First was shouted by the American Nazi Party in the 1930s. You might say they were the first MAGAs.
Mitch talks big now but when he could have ended Trump's career by marshalling a dozen votes on impeachment after 1/6 he wimped out like the coward he's always been.
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Bond wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:37 pm
Mitch talks big now but when he could have ended Trump's career by marshalling a dozen votes on impeachment after 1/6 he wimped out like the coward he's always been.
Ain't that the truth! Had he had the courage to do that, not only would Trump not now be the President elect, but he would also probably now be serving a justly deserved prison sentence! But then, being committed to a mental health facility might be more appropriate, as it is becoming increasingly obvious how dangerously delusional he is. He seems totally incapable of admitting to being wrong or mistaken about anything, no matter what the evidence. I'm increasingly becoming convinced that he actually believes the unceasing torrent of falsehoods and conspiracy theories that spews from his mouth. He is obviously totally paranoid as well. He is a danger to not only our nation but much of the rest of the world as well.
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Morley wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:26 pm
Shades, you seem to be suggesting that the US (and possibly Europe) shouldn't have gotten itself involved in WWII. Will you clarify?
Nazi Germany tried its best not to have America enter WWII. As Rachel Maddow uncovered, they supported 54 Republican Congressmen in this endeavor.

Life would be easier for Russia to acquire new European territory if NATO went kaput.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:51 pm
That’s exactly what I suggest.
Bonkers.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:22 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:51 pm
That’s exactly what I suggest.
Bonkers.
Talk is cheap. Explain why getting involved in a world war is preferable to remaining out of it. Bonus points if you can do so without citing the propaganda of the military-industrial complex that makes billions from war.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Thu Dec 12, 2024 2:51 pm
Morley wrote:
Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:26 pm
Shades, you seem to be suggesting that the US (and possibly Europe) shouldn't have gotten itself involved in WWII. Will you clarify?
That’s exactly what I suggest.
How about the US Civil War? Should the North have minded their own business and let the South secede?
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