The Real Reason why Trump won

[Gadianton]

Please tell me the right sources to look at oh wise one.

Joe Rogan!

Good news, I found that crank link you posted as serious evidence a while back.

https://www.discussmormonism.com/viewto ... r#p2840414

https://bidenreport.com/#p=1

The same guy that published the emails and media from Hunter's laptop claims to have found a multitude of criminal conduct and put it all in a report. I just found this and so haven't yet read it. However, it might help answer your question.

You also mentioned:

I know this is probably going to go in one ear and out the other, but, this exercise should be about finding the truth and then dealing with it

Since you're all about finding the truth, did you ever read that 640 page document? It's your claim. I spent a good hour or so back then trying to figure out what that convoluted mess was about and repeatedly asked you for your input and you ignored me after you dropped the link.

[Vēritās]

And then you proceed to rely on what the FBI reports.... Adjustments are normal when new data arises. The fact that they're making adjustments is evidence that they're making an effort to be as accurate as possible.

And you're going to throw this right wing rag at us and pretend it is actual research? For crying out loud, it claims violent crime is actually up 54% and it references "crime research dot org" that is a conglomerate of articles by the largely discredited "Dr. John Lott." Get real already. Nobody ever said the FBI's reports on crime are 100% accurate. Of course there are going to be crimes that happen that go unreported. But this has always been the case, including during the Trump administration. Is that supposed to be news?

Fact Check dot Org recently addressed the FBI's revision and concluded: Crime Stats Still Show a Decline Since 2020

Please tell me the right sources to look at oh wise one. I'm lost in a sea of right-wing propaganda apparently. At least you aren't reposting media matters nonsense on a daily basis like you used to.

The fact that you hate Media Matters is telling. I've yet to see anyone demonstrate a single example of anything Media Matters got wrong. Even EA used to applaud MMA

[Vēritās]

Please tell me the right sources to look at oh wise one.

Joe Rogan!

Good news, I found that crank link you posted as serious evidence a while back.

https://www.discussmormonism.com/viewto ... r#p2840414

https://bidenreport.com/#p=1

The same guy that published the emails and media from Hunter's laptop claims to have found a multitude of criminal conduct and put it all in a report. I just found this and so haven't yet read it. However, it might help answer your question.

You also mentioned:

I know this is probably going to go in one ear and out the other, but, this exercise should be about finding the truth and then dealing with it

Since you're all about finding the truth, did you ever read that 640 page document? It's your claim. I spent a good hour or so back then trying to figure out what that convoluted mess was about and repeatedly asked you for your input and you ignored me after you dropped the link.

[canpakes]

But anyways the videos are a reality of the 20 plus % rise in shoplifting and why Ca is making it a felony for repeat offenders.

You keep harping on CA as if liberals or Biden have mandated that shoplifting can’t be a felony in that state, or that the state is uniquely soft on shoplifters.

Have you looked at how the right-wing paradise of Texas charges shoplifters? Not very differently:

Shoplifting is a Class C misdemeanor when the property value taken is under $100. Class C misdemeanors are punishable by a fine of up to $500.

Shoplifting is a Class B misdemeanor when the property value taken is more than $100 but less than $750. Class B misdemeanors are punishable by a fine of up to $2,000 and 180 days in jail.

Shoplifting is a Class A misdemeanor when the property value taken is $750 or more but less than $2,500. Class A misdemeanors are punishable by a fine of up to $4,000 and 180 days in jail.

Shoplifting is a state jail felony if the property value taken is more than $2,500 but less than $30,000. A state jail felony is punishable by a fine of up to $10,000 and 180 days to two years in state jail.

https://hgclaw.com/2022/02/28/texas-shoplifting-laws/


Compare to California:

Shoplifting in California is normally a misdemeanor offense that carries a maximum potential penalty of:

- up to six months in the county jail, and
- a fine of up to $1,000.

If someone is accused of stealing or attempting to steal items valued at more than $950, then that individual can be charged with Penal Code 487 PC grand theft.

Grand theft can be charged as a felony that carries up to three years in state prison.

There are situations where a defendant can face felony charges punishable by up to 3 years in jail and a $10,000 fine.

Felony penalties apply if defendant has a prior conviction for any of the following crimes:

- a sex crime that requires registration as a sex offender,
- any sex crime on a minor under 14 years old,
- any sex crime committed by using force, violence, or threats,
- gross vehicular manslaughter under Penal Code 191.5 PC,
- murder, attempted murder, or solicitation under Penal Code 187 PC,
- any serious or violent felony punishable by life in prison or death

https://www.egattorneys.com/shoplifting ... code-459-5

[Markk]

You keep harping on CA as if liberals or Biden have mandated that shoplifting can’t be a felony in that state, or that the state is uniquely soft on shoplifters.

Have you looked at how the right-wing paradise of Texas charges shoplifters? Not very differently:

I am hardly harping here, and I never said it was or was not mandated by Biden. You are trying rather unsuccessfully to create a straw-man. If you followed, it was mandated by proposition 47 in 2014. It was a complete fail. And in a pure landslide in this past November, parts of it was changed via prop 36, about 70/30. Also, Your link to Ca. is, when ever the new law takes effect, yours is outdated. There is now a three strikes and it a felony for shoplifting.

https://lao.ca.gov/BallotAnalysis/Propo ... &year=2024

The problem that we have been having here, is that in the past 4 years the police are not enforcing the law, because the DA's wont prosecute, and most big box store were just letting these organized groups and individual take what they want, because they don't want to deal with the liabilities of an employee or honest shopper getting hurt. Not to mention lower budgets for police and having to lower standards becasue no one wants to become a cop and belittled.

If a thief is busted stealing, less than $950.00, the just receives a citation to show up to court, which most just don't, and then nothing happens unless the get busted again and brought in with a warrant for failure to appear, which most likely they would get released again anyways on a OR and another citation with a promise to appear.

Again if you followed....more and more stores are locking up everything from toothpaste to toilet paper. I live in a nice little town and it is affecting us more and more. I went to CVS the other day to get a bottle of Excedrin, and it is now locked up. I got tired of waiting because they only had two folks on the floor, one checking out, the other unlocking things for customers that were before me ....so I just bought the CVS generic brand that was not locked up.

Pretending to believe that shoplifting is out of control is just being naïve. It is up 20%,and most is not reported so who really knows. It is a big deal here, hopefully it is less of a problem where ever you live, or in Texas. The real proof is stores are having to lock everything up, they are not locking stuff up for sport.

One winner is Amazon, it is so much easier than going to a store and having to have a clerk unlock much of what you need.

Do a little reading.....

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+are ... e&ie=UTF-8

[canpakes]

You keep harping on CA as if liberals or Biden have mandated that shoplifting can’t be a felony in that state, or that the state is uniquely soft on shoplifters.

Have you looked at how the right-wing paradise of Texas charges shoplifters? Not very differently:

I am hardly harping here, and I never said it was or was not mandated by Biden. You are trying rather unsuccessfully to create a straw-man.

Nope, I am pointing out your strange need to try to connect Biden to this.

Per your earlier quote in this thread:

LOL sure, New York wants to meet with Trump on Crime and illegal immigration and CA, of all places, pasted a bill where now shoplifting is actually a crime, in that under Bidens watch it was not even enforced.

I don’t think that Biden had anything to do with it.

Again if you followed....

You might follow this advice regarding your own posts. : )

[Some Schmo]

There is now a three strikes and it a felony for shoplifting.

I love how "conservatives" are concerned with shoplifting but Trump being a rapist? Who cares? Let's target the shoplifters... grrr.

Republicans are dumb, and they don't care who knows it.

[Kishkumen]

I love how "conservatives" are concerned with shoplifting but Trump being a rapist? Who cares? Let's target the shoplifters... grrr.

Republicans are dumb, and they don't care who knows it.

Trump can do what he wants. No one will hold him accountable. He can even be convicted, and no reckoning will occur. He’s practically a king already. It’s like Alexander the Great after murdering his friend, an advisor told him to stop blubbering about it because the king is the law. Trump has no conscience about his crimes, so he doesn’t need to be told this.

[Markk]

I am hardly harping here, and I never said it was or was not mandated by Biden. You are trying rather unsuccessfully to create a straw-man.

Nope, I am pointing out your strange need to try to connect Biden to this.

Per your earlier quote in this thread:

LOL sure, New York wants to meet with Trump on Crime and illegal immigration and CA, of all places, pasted a bill where now shoplifting is actually a crime, in that under Bidens watch it was not even enforced.

I don’t think that Biden had anything to do with it.

Again if you followed....

You might follow this advice regarding your own posts. : )

LOL...What I wrote was a direct response to Veritas, who wrote...."You're missing the point. Both the border and crime issues were improved under the Biden administration." In response to my assertion that Crime and immigration were key campaign talking points for the right.

Shoplifting rose 20% or more. Stores are closing at a very large rate primarily in sanctuary cities like San Francisco because of shoplifting. And stores across the country are putting goods in locked cages. If you are going to deny that Immigration was a huge mess under Biden, good luck.

I'll throw this into a football analogy. Your team lost badly. Your team was out coached and out played at almost every position. Now you can go back to the film room, watch the game film and find out where you made mistakes and what you missed. Or, you can just pretend you didn't lose and just call the team that beat you names, and deny the mistakes you made, and lose the opportunity to improve. To deny that Immigration and crime was not a major issue under Bidens watch, is not going to help you win the next game. Which like Veritas, is what you are doing in regard to this exchange.

[Markk]

Republicans are dumb,

"listen Jane, Me Tarzan, Republicans dumb, Democrats good. Niners go home. "

Love ya man