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18 years of Duke Lacrosse rape case on Mormon Discussions

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Moksha wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:54 am
Ajax, the salient point was that it was also a false charge.
What evidence do you have that Carolyn Bryant's charge was false? Did she later admit that somewhere as Crystal Mangum finally did? Isn't the standard of the "Me too" movement to believe all women and take legal action against those she accuses first before verifying her claims? Under this standard it seems that Roy and JW Milam's actions would be welcome in the Democratic party today. Maybe they don't kill those who she bears false witness against but they do bankrupt them, incarcerate them, strip them of their jobs, and often times permanently damage the man's career with their accusations.

If only free speech that causes no harm is allowed, why is Al Sharpton still on the television? Why are these Duke professors still working at Duke university?
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Thanks for the update on this. You've really showed all the libs who swarmed the thread standing up for her that they were wrong.
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Thanks for the update on this. You've really showed all the libs who swarmed the thread standing up for her that they were wrong.
The Race Rape Hoax That Started It All Collapses

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The Duke lacrosse case was an inciting incident for Black Lives Matter and for the #MeToo movement.

Crystal Gail Mangum appeared at a news conference to promote a book about her life with publisher Vincent "Ed" Clark in Durham, North Carolina, Thursday, October 23, 2008. Mangum continued to say that she was assaulted in March 2006 at a Duke lacrosse team party where she had been hired to dance.

One of the astonishing things about the news industry is that many stories with an outsized national impact turn out to have been completely falsified upon further review. One of its incentive structures is often “firstist with the mostist”; in other words, get to the story fast and report it incredibly quickly. But then, the reporting ends up being false. In retrospect, this does significant damage. This is true in regard to reporting about COVID or Black Lives Matter.

One of the signal examples of this is now being exposed for all the world to see.

18 years ago, in 2006, the Duke lacrosse rape case incited a wide variety of movements that would come into full flower over the course of the subsequent 10 years, particularly during the Obama era. The Duke lacrosse case was an inciting incident for Black Lives Matter and for the #MeToo movement.

In this case, a stripper accused a series of rich white lacrosse players at Duke University of having sexually assaulted her. It became one of the biggest cases in American criminal justice history, specifically because of its ripple effects.

Crystal Mangum, the stripper at the center of that case, has admitted she lied back in 2006. Until now, she has never publicly admitted she fabricated the rape allegation.

Three men, David Evans, Collin Finnerty, and Reade Seligmann, were arrested and put on trial before the case was dismissed. Mangum’s original allegation was that she had been performing at a team party off campus in March of 2006, had been sexually assaulted, and raped by a series of white Duke lacrosse players.

She was, indeed, at this party, but, apparently, she engaged in none of her “career activity,” shall we say, because she was high on drugs or intoxicated with alcohol. She ended up leaving early, and then these accusations were filed.

There were many holes in her story. First, there is no DNA on her. Second, she could not identify any of the Duke lacrosse players, except for one, who ended up not having even been there.

Yet, the problems with her allegations did not stop everyone — including the elite media and those on university campuses — from jumping to conclusions.

Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong said in 2006, “I am not going to allow Durham’s view in the mind of the world to be a bunch of lacrosse players from Duke raping a black girl in Durham.”

Nifong obviously had other political motivations, possibly to run for a higher office at some point. In a March 2006 interview with CBS News, he stated, “The circumstances of the rape indicated a deep racial motivation for some of the things that were done. It makes a crime that is by its nature one of the most offensive and invasive even more so.” According to Nifong, this wasn’t just a rape. It was, in fact, a racist rape.

The former Duke University president, Richard Brodhead, took immediate action against the team following only the allegations. He accepted the resignation of the men’s lacrosse coach, canceled the remainder of their season, and suspended the accused three players from school after they were indicted for rape, according to The New York Post. This was “despite having asked the public not to prejudge the criminal case.”

David Evans, one of the players, stridently denied the allegations, saying, “I am absolutely innocent of all the charges that have been brought against me today, that Reade Seligmann and Collin Finnerty are innocent of all the charges that were brought against them. These allegations are lies.” Eventually, the case was dismissed.

Duke lacrosse player David Evans (C), 23-years-old, proclaims his innocence as he addresses the media outside the Durham County Detention Center after being indicted on sexual assault charges on May 15, 2006 in Durham, North Carolina. Evans is the third player to be indicted for sexual assault of a woman hired as a private dancer to a party attended by lacrosse team members March 13. (Photo by Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)
DURHAM, NC – MAY 15, 2006: Duke lacrosse player David Evans (C), 23-years-old, proclaims his innocence. (Photo by Sara D. Davis/Getty Images)

Yet that did not stop The New York Times from running around 100 pieces about the Duke lacrosse allegations. A tremendous number of Duke faculty actually paid for an ad that was put in the Duke Chronicle devoted to this particular case. Numerous departments and professors at the university signed onto this paid advertisement. What did the statement say?

We are listening to our students. We’re also listening to the Durham community, to Duke staff, and to each other. Regardless of the results of the police investigation, what is apparent everyday now is the anger and fear of many students who know themselves to be objects of racism and sexism; who see illuminated in this moment’s extraordinary spotlight what they live with everyday. They know that it isn’t just Duke, it isn’t everybody, and it isn’t just individuals making this disaster. But it is a disaster nonetheless. These students are shouting and whispering about what happened to this young woman and to themselves.

The ad then provided anonymous student statements about the issue. The seedbed for the Black Lives Matter movement here is obvious. And it turns out all of this was based on lies. It was all lies — beginning to end.

Eventually, the North Carolina attorney general, Roy Cooper, announced that the charges had, in fact, been dropped. (Cooper would go on to become the governor of North Carolina.) He announced:

Our attorneys and SBI agents have interviewed numerous people who were at the party, DNA and other experts, the Durham County district attorney, Durham police officers, defense attorneys, and the accusing witness on several occasions. We have reviewed statements given over the year, photographs, records, and other evidence. The result of our review and investigation shows clearly that there is insufficient evidence to proceed on any of the charges. Today, we are filing notices of dismissal for all charges against Reade Seligmann, Collin Finnerty, and David Evans. The result is that these cases are over, and no more criminal proceedings will occur.

Nifong ended up being disbarred for making false statements and hiding evidence from the defense. The president of Duke University later came out and offered an apology.

But here’s the issue: What was the fallout from this case? Was the fallout a lesson learned about people making false allegations? Of course not. Was the fallout about the rush to judgment by the media deeply desperate for a race case that they could magnify? Of course not; there have been dozens since.

The actual fallout in terms of policy was that in 2011, the Obama administration changed Title IX regulations so that you basically could not defend yourself against sexual harassment or sexual assault allegation on campus.

CNN reports that the administration,

…outlined guidelines for schools on how to handle sexual assault allegations in a memo referred to as a ‘dear colleague’ letter. The letter reminded schools of their legal obligation to address sexual violence amid concerns that schools were not taking the issue seriously enough, and called on schools to step up investigations of reports. It also provided guidelines for investigations and hearings.

And it gave the accused no due process. It made it so that a person did not actually have a right to face down someone who was accusing them. That was the actual legal implication drawn from the false allegations of the Duke lacrosse case.

This repeated itself later with similar allegations that were made about the University of Virginia frat members in 2014 accused by Rolling Stone of engaging in a gang rape, which turned out to be completely false as well. But that didn’t stop the momentum of the #MeToo movement.

False allegations are, unfortunately, the lifeblood of movements that require gas when there is no gas in the tank.

Yesterday, Mangum, the accuser in the Duke lacrosse case — who is serving time for murder right now — finally admitted (nearly 20 years later) that her accusations were all made up. She said in an interview:

I testified falsely against them by saying that they raped me when they didn’t. And that was wrong. And I betrayed the trust of a lot of other people who believed in me and made up a story that wasn’t true because I wanted validation from people and not from God. And that was wrong. And I hope that they can forgive me.

It was false, and everyone knew it was false at the time. Yet it led to another string of these sorts of cases ranging from: the University of Virginia false rape allegations; the false allegations regarding Michael Brown’s death in Ferguson, Missouri, which led to riots in 2014; the case of George Floyd, which is in fact a false case; and the Daniel Penny case.

It stretches forward because the media need these opportunities. They spin up these opportunities. They rely on these opportunities in order to “have the discussion.” They’re constantly looking for a news hook to have discussions on the issues that they find most interesting regardless of whether the underlying data is there or not.

The media are perfectly willing to jump into certain conversations. However, there are other conversations that the media are absolutely not willing to broach.

Was there a widespread investigation into false rape allegations, which was the actual story with regard to the Duke lacrosse case? Absolutely not. Was there a full-scale media blitz on the question of rape hoaxes, which is what happened in Duke lacrosse? Absolutely not. The way the mainstream media work, their way of deciding whether something is a national story or not, is not based on the truth or falsity of the statements or the good or bad action of the people in question.

They have a preset narrative, and then they look for a hook for that narrative. That is how spinning up a movement out of nothing becomes possible. And it is how polarizing the American body politic occurs.

For four decades, the national media have pursued a preset narrative agenda. Then, they look for a news hook for that agenda that allows them to spin it up into a national story.

That is why Americans are sick and tired of the national legacy media.
Surpisingly, the only person who has been convinced of the error of her ways was Crystal Mangum. Even in 2008 after Nifong had been fired and disbarred, Crystal Mangum continued to bear false witness and double down on her lies. She was so drunk with power that she went on to kill her then boyfriend who must have displeased her in some way due to the positive reinforcement and support for her criminal behavior and blatant disrepect of the 10 commandments from liberals. It wasn't until serving 10 years of a 30 year sentence that she finally turned to God and repented. The mainstream media and the Democrats on this board will never be convinced of that what they did in 2006 and every time after was wrong, even when it starts losing them elections, the very reason they invented and pushed these race hoaxes in the first place.
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Thanks for the update on this. You've really showed all the libs who swarmed the thread standing up for her that they were wrong.
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drumdude wrote:
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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Dec 14, 2024 4:58 pm
Thanks for the update on this. You've really showed all the libs who swarmed the thread standing up for her that they were wrong.
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Ajax is really on a roll.
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What evidence do you have that Carolyn Bryant's charge was false?
I can see why you wouldn't have much sympathy for Emmit Till, but in the many movies, you could watch the false accusation. Those Klansmen were not your compatriots that need defending.

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What evidence do you have that Carolyn Bryant's charge was false?
You mean other than her interview with Professor Timothy Tyson where he asked Bryant about her trial testimony, and she replied "That part's not true."

Let's say, for one second, that she never admitted to lying at trial. Are you proposing that extrajudicial torture and murder of teenagers is justified whenever they purportedly say or do something inappropriate to a woman? If so, there's a laundry list of white teenagers that I need to reap vengeance upon for the women in my life.
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Let's say, for one second, that she never admitted to lying at trial. Are you proposing that extrajudicial torture and murder of teenagers is justified whenever they purportedly say or do something inappropriate to a woman?
Absolutely not.

But I think Duke Lacrosse should have served as a lesson to the left not to do this. But unfortunately ginned up racial narratives based on lies only accelerated after 2006. You have to go back pretty far in history to find cases like Emmit Till. Do you think Jordan Neely is a modern day Emmit Till? Apparently Moksha does. Alvin Bragg obviously did. What do you think about Neely's family who obviously wanted nothing to do with Jordan Neely while he was alive. He had no money, no food, and didn't care if he went to prison for robbing and killing someone when threatening subway passengers. Where was the family who now are searching for a windfall in a wrongful death case when Jordan Neely was destitute, desperate, and willing to commit whatever crime necessary? It's like the parents of a disabled child who only show up on his 18th birthday out of fear the child might no longer sign over his SSI check to them. Perhaps President Trump needs to do to the Soros funded prosecutors what LBJ did to Jim Crow laws.
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Do you think Jordan Neely is a modern day Emmit Till? Apparently Moksha does.
Neely was a troubled young man with an extensive criminal past who was threatening others on a subway. Emmit Till was a young man tortured and lynched by a bunch of criminal Klansmen.


Perhaps President Trump needs to do to the Soros funded prosecutors what LBJ did to Jim Crow laws.
Trump will undoubtedly do some terrible things, but there is no need to encourage these deeds.
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ajax18 wrote:
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Let's say, for one second, that she never admitted to lying at trial. Are you proposing that extrajudicial torture and murder of teenagers is justified whenever they purportedly say or do something inappropriate to a woman?
Absolutely not.

But I think Duke Lacrosse should have served as a lesson to the left not to do this. But unfortunately ginned up racial narratives based on lies only accelerated after 2006. You have to go back pretty far in history to find cases like Emmit Till. Do you think Jordan Neely is a modern day Emmit Till? Apparently Moksha does. Alvin Bragg obviously did. What do you think about Neely's family who obviously wanted nothing to do with Jordan Neely while he was alive. He had no money, no food, and didn't care if he went to prison for robbing and killing someone when threatening subway passengers. Where was the family who now are searching for a windfall in a wrongful death case when Jordan Neely was destitute, desperate, and willing to commit whatever crime necessary? It's like the parents of a disabled child who only show up on his 18th birthday out of fear the child might no longer sign over his SSI check to them. Perhaps President Trump needs to do to the Soros funded prosecutors what LBJ did to Jim Crow laws.
You are so simpleminded, Ajax. Jordan Neely’s criminality does not excuse him being murdered. Daniel Penny is a coward and a murderer. There are no two ways about it. Is Neely’s threatening behavior a mitigating factor? Yes. But it does not absolve Penny of his ethical and moral responsibility as someone who was trained to use lethal force. He could have easily stopped choking Neely out. The fact that he continued past Neely’s death shows what a coward and disgrace Penny is.
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