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[Molok]

I'm thinking the unique needs some white people have is to be in complete and total control of American society, without having to feign concern for the opinions or wants of minorities.

[Gunnar]

I'm thinking the unique needs some white people have is to be in complete and total control of American society, without having to feign concern for the opinions or wants of minorities.

Yes, that is the anti-woke movement in a nutshell. In other words, the real and greater bigotry in their eyes is, in effect, opposition to their own bigotry.

[Hound of Heaven]

Once more, you have it completely reversed. The progressives have taken the lead over the past 15 years, resulting in the Democratic Party developing an intolerance towards "whiteness." For "wokeism" to gain acceptance, there must be a rejection of "whiteness."

You’ve offered absolutely nothing to demonstrate any validity to this claim.

Watching you repeat it over and over is not unlike watching a random Fox News program.

Our party has transformed into a platform of intolerance by permitting progressives to marginalize white culture,...

Has mayonnaise been outlawed, or something? Can I not purchase Kraft American Singles at my local grocer?

What ‘white culture’ are you talking about, exactly?

... particularly white men.

Are white men occupying a particularly precarious position within the employment landscape?

Can you post the unemployment figures for white men alongside the various other demographics of your choosing? Or did you want someone else to do that?

If you don't believe me, let me pose this question: does the contemporary Democratic Party address the needs of white individuals today?

Please start that conversation by listing the culturally unique needs of white individuals that are being ignored.

Start any time.

What emotions arise for you when I pose that question? Does it cause you discomfort?

No, it makes me giggle and think that you’re a conservative masquerading as a ‘concerned Democratic Party voter’. : D

The current Democratic Party, under progressive leadership, appears to have adopted an anti-white stance.

Here’s where you’ve reached the end of your routine, and hit ‘repeat’.

Here is the link to democrats.org. As you can observe, there is an exclusion of whites, and there is no reference to men.

Also missing:

- Hawaiians
- Jewish people
- Haitians
- Dog owners
- Atheists
- Russian nationals
- Billionaire South African Immigrants

What are the culturally unique needs of white individuals that are being ignored?

As I mentioned earlier, prior to progressivism taking the lead in the Democratic Party, we assessed individuals based on their character rather than the color of their skin. https://democrats.org/who-we-are/who-we-serve/

When facing an opposing Republican Party that routinely assesses and accuses individuals based on the color of their skin rather than their character, the claimed Democratic Party approach might sometimes be necessary.

In several posts, you have attempted to depict me as a conservative due to my disapproval of the direction the progressive wing of the party has pushed the Democratic Party towards, aiming to transform it into a socialist party.

However, I have been a Democrat longer than you have been alive, and I have witnessed the party undergo many transformations. Yet, nothing has been as radical as the past 15 years, during which the progressive wing of the party has attempted to push the party towards socialism. As I have mentioned in various posts across different threads, progressives perceive anyone, including liberals, who do not align with socialist progressive views as adversaries.

In my opinion, along with many other Democrats, the progressive movement appears to be attempting to impose socialism on America, and I will not permit that to occur. Disagreeing with progressive socialism does not equate to being a MAGA supporter.

https://diem25.org/progressives-must-fa ... rats-loss/
This article provides a clear explanation of how progressives perceive the broader Democratic Party. I encourage you to review it, as it outlines the extent of the progressives' disdain for the remainder of the party and details their efforts to shift the rest of the party towards socialism. This article clearly articulates how many moderate democrats, like myself, perceive the far-left progressives attempting to dominate the party. If I have misunderstood this article, I would appreciate an explanation of how I am misinterpreting the progressive values presented within it.


It is important to note that the article presents the perspective that liberalism has not succeeded. As someone with liberal views, what should my perspective be on that? Later in the article, the progressive perspective suggests that liberalism is an outdated ideology that fails to provide anything of significance and should be discarded.

[Molok]

I agree with every word in that article, but I'm still waiting to hear who these progressives are that are controlling the Democrat party, and what progressive policies the Democrat party has been pushing that's alienating white men. I think you just simply can't tolerate that progressives exist, and want the Democrat party to publicly cast them out like lepers, because you're a weird little racist freak. Or, you're completely full of crap and are a right wing troll.

[Hound of Heaven]

I agree with every word in that article, but I'm still waiting to hear who these progressives are that are controlling the Democrat party, and what progressive policies the Democrat party has been pushing that's alienating white men. I think you just simply can't tolerate that progressives exist, and want the Democrat party to publicly cast them out like lepers, because you're a weird little racist freak. Or, you're completely full of crap and are a right wing troll.

Thank you for labeling me as a racist, a freak, and a right-wing troll all in one post. You have effectively demonstrated my point that progressives often lack the tolerance and inclusiveness they claim to advocate for. Your perspective on your fellow Americans is the reason we lost significant figures like Tulsi, RFK Jr, Elon, and Rogan. They departed from the party due to the far left; all of them have acknowledged this to be true.

Now that I've shared an article supporting my view that progressives are attempting to transform the Democrat party into a socialist one, you resort to extreme reactions and name-calling. An intelligent response could have highlighted the existence of various factions within the progressive movement, noting that the article I shared represents a more extreme viewpoint. However, you chose to align with the article's perspective instead. In other words, you believe the Democratic Party is no longer viable, that it has failed, and should be left behind. I find it quite amusing that you hold that view, considering you are the one who aligns with MAGA, not me! I suppose that aspect went beyond your forward-thinking progressive perspective.

[Molok]

Thank you for labeling me as a racist, a freak, and a right-wing troll all in one post. You have effectively demonstrated my point that progressives often lack the tolerance and inclusiveness they claim to advocate for. Your perspective on your fellow Americans is the reason we lost significant figures like Tulsi, RFK Jr, Elon, and Rogan. They departed from the party due to the far left; all of them have acknowledged this to be true.

Now that I've shared an article supporting my view that progressives are attempting to transform the Democrat party into a socialist one, you resort to extreme reactions and name-calling. An intelligent response could have highlighted the existence of various factions within the progressive movement, noting that the article I shared represents a more extreme viewpoint. However, you chose to align with the article's perspective instead. In other words, you believe the Democratic Party is no longer viable, that it has failed, and should be left behind. I find it quite amusing that you hold that view, considering you are the one who aligns with MAGA, not me! I suppose that aspect went beyond your forward-thinking progressive perspective.

You shared an article advocating for abandoning the Democrat party, not transforming it, so you should work on your reading comprehension. And the random nobody I've never heard of that you linked to is not a person of authority in the Democrat party, has not put forward any planks in the Democrat party platform, and is literally just a random person online. You can find a random person online saying literally any point of view. So, all your hysterical proclamations about how Progressives are destroying the democrat party are still nonsense.

Oh, my bad for calling you racist. Obviously, you're not a racist, you're just someone who's really concerned about all the terrible things happening to the white race right now, to the complete exclusion of discussion on every other race. There's probably a word for that, but it escapes me at the moment.

[ceeboo]

I agree with every word in that article, but I'm still waiting to hear who these progressives are that are controlling the Democrat party, and what progressive policies the Democrat party has been pushing that's alienating white men. I think you just simply can't tolerate that progressives exist, and want the Democrat party to publicly cast them out like lepers, because you're a weird little racist freak. Or, you're completely full of crap and are a right wing troll.

Thank you for labeling me as a racist, a freak, and a right-wing troll all in one post. You have effectively demonstrated my point that progressives often lack the tolerance and inclusiveness they claim to advocate for.

Bingo!

Your perspective on your fellow Americans is the reason we lost significant figures like Tulsi, RFK Jr, Elon, and Rogan. They departed from the party due to the far left

Bingo!

HOH - If you decide to run in 2028, you just might win.

[Molok]

indeed, if I don't tolerate bigots who openly support policies that disenfranchise millions of people, and sow human misery, can I truly claim to be open minded?

[huckelberry]

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What are the culturally unique needs of white individuals that are being ignored?



Wrogressive views as adversaries.

In my opinion, along with many other Democrats, the progressive movement appears to be attempting to impose socialism on America, and I will not permit that to occur. Disagreeing with progressive socialism does not equate to being a MAGA supporter.

https://diem25.org/progressives-must-fa ... rats-loss/
This article provides a clear explanation of how progressives perceive the broader Democratic Party. I encourage you to review it, as it outlines the extent of the progressives' disdain for the remainder of the party and details their efforts to shift the rest of the party towards socialism. This article clearly articulates how many moderate democrats, like myself, perceive the far-left progressives attempting to dominate the party. If I have misunderstood this article, I would appreciate an explanation of how I am misinterpreting the progressive values presented within it.


It is important to note that the article presents the perspective that liberalism has not succeeded. As someone with liberal views, what should my perspective be on that? Later in the article, the progressive perspective suggests that liberalism is an outdated ideology that fails to provide anything of significance and should be discarded.

Hound, I am puzzled by your presenting this article. It complains that the Democratic party is not doing what you fear it is doing. You should not be surprised by the existence of such anti liberal voices. They have long been around. I remember reading such in the late 60s. Such views were not new then. I do not have a beginning date but I feel the article is the same old song and dance being sung by those elements for the past hundred years.

I suppose there is some reason some folks feel white men are being disregarded by Democratic party. I am not entirely sure why. There appears to be quite a few white males in the party.

[canpakes]

In several posts, you have attempted to depict me as a conservative due to my disapproval of the direction the progressive wing of the party has pushed the Democratic Party towards, aiming to transform it into a socialist party.

I have attempted no such thing. I have no control over your online appearance. But, I have tried to engage you on specifics, beyond your broad generalizations. Where you take that is up to you.

However, I have been a Democrat longer than you have been alive, and I have witnessed the party undergo many transformations. Yet, nothing has been as radical as the past 15 years, during which the progressive wing of the party has attempted to push the party towards socialism.

Any party has factions. The ranks of Republicans include Christian Dominionists, as example, but I don’t think that when the average person votes for a Republican, they’re supporting everything - or anything in particular, even - that Christian Dominionism wants America to be. Do you?

Rather than try to claim that Progressives craft the Democratic Party platform, please point out those things within the platform that you believe represent a toxic progressivism. Be specific. It would lend credibility to your claim if you can find examples within the platform.

As I have mentioned in various posts across different threads, progressives perceive anyone, including liberals, who do not align with socialist progressive views as adversaries.

I’ll bet they do. That’s why factions are called factions. We see this across both parties. If you are as old as you say you are, then you’ve also seen arguably much more politically radical trends from the 60’s and 70’s. If you think otherwise, point out some policy or platform examples to bolster the view that toxic progressivism has permeated the Party’s approach.

In my opinion, along with many other Democrats, the progressive movement appears to be attempting to impose socialism on America, and I will not permit that to occur.

‘Attempting to impose socialism’ is a meaningless group of words. What do you mean by socialism, even?

This is why I say that you sound as if you’re just repeating Fox News talking points at times. Please point out the undefined socialism that these unnamed progressives are trying to impose. Be specific.

If you get that far, then, tell me how that’s working out for them.

https://diem25.org/progressives-must-fa ... rats-loss/
This article provides a clear explanation of how progressives perceive the broader Democratic Party. I encourage you to review it, as it outlines the extent of the progressives' disdain for the remainder of the party and details their efforts to shift the rest of the party towards socialism.

This is a strange choice from you. DiEM is a European organization, involved with European politics. Like anyone else, they have opinions on stuff. The article you’ve posted is a fairly fluffy opinion piece. It lacks specifics, but what it does do is offer the opinion that US liberalism (and the Democratic Party by extension) “suppress(es) and demonise(s) progressive and socialist tendencies” because it has been captured by the desire for capital accumulation.

In other words, if you hate socialism, then you should be voting for Democrats. They’re totally antagonistic to progressivism. They’re your team!
: D

This article clearly articulates how many moderate democrats, like myself, perceive the far-left progressives attempting to dominate the party. If I have misunderstood this article, I would appreciate an explanation of how I am misinterpreting the progressive values presented within it.

Are ‘far left progressives’ dominating anything? They barely seem to be part of the conversation, except when I see Fox Newsertainment hosts telling their audience that they’re out to get us, even if they never manage to tell us how, why, where, when, or who, exactly.

It is important to note that the article presents the perspective that liberalism has not succeeded. As someone with liberal views, what should my perspective be on that? Later in the article, the progressive perspective suggests that liberalism is an outdated ideology that fails to provide anything of significance and should be discarded.

Are you a liberal?

Where did liberal ideas spring from? Conservatism, or Progressivism?

What Democratic Party aims and platform values do you support or admire? How did they evolve to be included within what you perceive to be liberal ideology? What was their genesis?

That said, your previous reply to me mentioned several times about white male needs or concerns. My opinion is that your repeated insistence that the Democratic Party needs to address this is that it would smack of identity politics as bad or worse as anything else, and that any solutions to culturally unique problems of the white male community that you have (thus far) been unwilling or unable to define would likely involve one or more socialism-tainted approaches or principles.

Perhaps you could revisit your mention of this and explain what you think should be addressed and how Democrats should propose to do so?