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I think that Democrats are seen as the establishment and/or the adults in the room, and they're taken to task harder because expectations are higher.
One detail I'm unaware of is if all of these people who "punished" the adults for not giving them candy, if they believed Trump had the answers, or if they didn't care, and just wanted to punish mom and dad. The kooky neighbor who says, "I'd have given you candy", well, maybe he would or wouldn't, but validates the feeling.
I predict that grocery prices will fall in 2025 before September. I do think we are in a long-term inflationary climate, but every bull run has its big corrections. Plus, with the Fed having raised rates, Jerome is panicking and lowering because he knows that raising rates usually ends with a recession. The soft landing isn't yet assured.
One detail I'm unaware of is if all of these people who "punished" the adults for not giving them candy, if they believed Trump had the answers, or if they didn't care, and just wanted to punish mom and dad. The kooky neighbor who says, "I'd have given you candy", well, maybe he would or wouldn't, but validates the feeling.
I predict that grocery prices will fall in 2025 before September. I do think we are in a long-term inflationary climate, but every bull run has its big corrections. Plus, with the Fed having raised rates, Jerome is panicking and lowering because he knows that raising rates usually ends with a recession. The soft landing isn't yet assured.
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As long as Trump doesn't go full idiot with tariffs again, or go super idiot with another OPEC 2020 deal, I think we'll be able to somewhat absorb his insane inflationary deficit money printing.Gadianton wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:54 pmI predict that grocery prices will fall in 2025 before September. I do think we are in a long-term inflationary climate, but every bull run has its big corrections. Plus, with the Fed having raised rates, Jerome is panicking and lowering because he knows that raising rates usually ends with a recession. The soft landing isn't yet assured.
Unfortunately, OPEC already knows that Trump is a moron, because they played him with ease once already, so I'm not overly hopeful on the OPEC thing. My only hope there is that they'll see how the inflation caused by it impacted them as well. He also still seems to be either clueless on how tariffs work, or just assumes his base is dumber than he is. Either way, with him already picking fights with everyone, and Denmark, Panama, and Canada all making the US into an international joke because of Trump, I'm not overly hopeful that the Fed is going to be able to circumvent what's coming down the pike.
The more the world laughs at us, the more likely he's going to do incredibly stupid economic blunders out of spite.
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Are you referring to the three I’ve itemized above? I can likely dredge up some examples that support them, but what alternatives are you referring to when you said this:Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 9:35 pmI don't know about the statements you cite above and whether anyone believes them.canpakes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:28 pmAre you trying to say that ‘the people’ are smart to believe the following:
- Prices always come down when the inflation rate is low,
- Any particular US President can be responsible for worldwide post-pandemic inflation,
- Trump has a viable plan to ‘reduce prices’ on everything to 2019 levels.
If that’s your claim, then I don’t think that your last sentence pans out.
“Over the last four years, while inflation is down, according to the chart, prices are still up and wages have lagged behind, meaning that it is harder to make ends meet for enough to make the close election what it was. Consumer prices increased by 20.6% and wages increased by 19.2% according to the chart. So, perhaps the people aren't as dumb as once thought?”
What are the people not so ‘dumb’ about, and what were they then voting for when they chose Trump as an antidote to these issues?
And do you see it possible that any of them believed Trump when he told them that he would bring grocery prices way down, or do the people just enjoy being lied to and find it hilarious when Trump says these things?
https://www.instagram.com/thedemocratic ... i9YVNpBt0/
What about when Trump promised to reduce energy costs for everyone by 50%? Were people cheering because he’s an excellent jokester, and they love being told this sort of BS?
https://www.instagram.com/therealameric ... 6PDWnvHOo/
w00t! So many exciting changes! Everyone gets a pony, i guess.
When voters cast their votes based on these promises, is it smart? If they think that Trump’s just kidding yet they cheer his BS on, then are they really suffering economically?
I’m happy to blame both sides for any stupidity they’re engaged in. You’d be hard pressed to find anything in my posting history that indicated otherwise. Where you and I seem to differ is that I don’t believe that both sides are completely equivalent in focus, action and extent. Things are much more complex than that. I also interpret that you sometimes have some interestingly selective and sometimes convoluted ways of defining ‘donor class’ in order to protect your beliefs.Given how bent you are to blame one side when it is both that have engineered our economy to always benefit the donor class, my guess is that these are invented out of whole cloth to support a position.
That said, I’d think that you’d interpret the Anonymous post as applicable to any side as you want to define them, regardless of which side you personally favor. Although it just so happens that we have an outstanding example of the problem manifesting within the incoming Administration.
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What do you think about Trump's pal Putin launching a Christmas Day attack of ballistic missiles and drones against Kyiv? It probably illustrates Trump's favorite Bible passage.
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Thank you for enlarging my perspective with the above. I will do some studying of what you have shown me. But none of it changes the fact that Trump is an immoral reprobate, convicted felon, pathological liar, self-serving and vindictive narcissist, scientifically illiterate dismissive of any science reality he doesn't like, etc., etc. who lacks the competence and temperament to lead a diverse and inclusive democratic government. There is very little likelihood that his administration and policies will materially improve things for anyone other than the wealthy oligarchs and donors, who effectively own him. And he seems bent on petulantly minimizing and/or destroying, out of sheer spite, the very real positive measures that the Biden Administration has accomplished. I am firmly convinced, based on his past actions and performance and obvious lies, that Trump will only make things worse for most of the rest of the country, and most likely hasn't a clue as to how to ameliorate the negative trends of our economy that still exist.Dr Exiled wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 7:46 pmI don't think you are looking at the historical trends that I believe have led to frustration among the populace and led to the Trump 2016 and Sanders 2016 populist movements. However, in the short term, maybe these charts can explain the phenomenon:Gunnar wrote: ↑Tue Dec 24, 2024 8:02 pm
The fact remains that voting for Donald Trump and his MAGA conservatives was a horrible mistake, by almost ever objective measure, and this will become increasingly apparent during the next 4 years. People don't like to be characterized as idiots--especially if they really are. They would rather risk remaining idiots, than admit to being or having been idiots. The more foolish they have been, the more they will resist admitting to having been so foolish. Perhaps too much emphasis was placed on pointing out how foolish it was to ever support Trump in the first place, and people, especially the foolish, would rather risk remaining foolish than admit to being or having been foolish.
Too many voters were insufficiently aware of the objective fact that by nearly every objective economic factor such as record job growth, record low unemployment rates, highest GDP growth of the so called "G7 nations, declining inflation rates (reaching the lowest of most, if not if not all other nation, Biden's Administration has left us significantly better off than most, if not all other nations, and better off than we were at the start of his administration. Biden has, believe it or not, left Trump's incoming administration with a strong and still improving economy, which Trump will undoubtedly try to take full credit for as long as it continues, but blame Biden if it takes a turn for the worse due to Trump Administration policies and actions. It is tragic that so many Americans seem to give more credence to Trump and MAGA's unrelenting torrent of baseless and easily debunked lies than to the well documented strength of the leading economic indicators: U.S. economy grows at 3.1% pace in third quarter, an upgrade from previous estimate
Why are so many voters more inclined to un skeptically believe the easily debunked torrent of lies coming from Trump than the solidly evidence-based, positive economic indicators that are easy to look up and confirm?
https://www.statista.com/chart/32428/in ... ed-states/
Over the last four years, while inflation is down, according to the chart, prices are still up and wages have lagged behind, meaning that it is harder to make ends meet for enough to make the close election what it was. Consumer prices increased by 20.6% and wages increased by 19.2% according to the chart. So, perhaps the people aren't as dumb as once thought?
Overall, however, there is still the macro trend of the top 1% getting all the gains while the remaining get left in the dust, and both parties are to blame for this:
https://www.epi.org/blog/wage-inequalit ... 44-growth/
I think the macro-trend is a main driver in this discontent, leading the population to chose someone like Trump. There still is a trend toward monopoly in all the economy and that doesn't seem to be stopping any time soon. People are fed up and this is why I believe that Trump is just a symptom of an overall problem. The source of the angst and anger is in the rising income inequality that has been going on for the last 45 years.
Here is an article from a guy I've followed for some time that explains things pretty well as far as the economy goes:
https://www.oftwominds.com/economy-not- ... l8-23.html
He talks about being gaslighted by the elites and their economists:
In essence, nothing that is consequential is properly quantified, so the pundit class keeps insisting everything is wunnerful and is mystified why people are so foolishly dissatisfied with our wunnerful economy. The reason why people are not buying the fantasyland story is they have to live and work in the crapified real economy, as serfs serving the economist-punditry-elite aristocracy.
What has he ever done to materially improve the lot of anyone other than the avaricious, arrogant and wealthy elite, like himself and his selfish, kleptocratic donors? He is proposing to fill "the swamp" with billionaire oligarchs whose most overwhelming priority is apparently to continually further enhance, without limit, their own, already immense wealth and power, or whose loyalty is only to Trump and are willing to do anything, legal or not, that he wants them to do.
I will not deny that even the current Democratic party has its faults and deficiencies, but the deficiencies and corruption that permeates Trump's MAGA associates puts them in the shade, and they are so smug and sure of themselves that they hardly even try to hide their mendacity and corruption They have been known to justify even continue telling lies they know have been debunked, except for Trump, of course. He has demonstrated that he is incapable of admitting being mistaken about anything, no matter what, even when his own people have proven him wrong.
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You're essentially right, Gunner. Even if Democrats didn't take seriously enough the reality that a great many people took grocery store prices as their representation of the economy -- and Democrats should have taken it seriously -- it's not like these people were "smarter" by voting for a " pathological liar, self-serving and vindictive narcissist" who also isn't going to lower grocery prices just lie about it and in addition, do a ton of stupid crap if not some really destructive things.
I have a question for the MAGA people here, they don't need to respond just think about it. Is Elon Musk a much better man and a greater patriot than a MAGA farmer in California because he brings tech workers over with H1B visas and they use illegals? (and by the way, that's one hell of a smoke screen itself as a far greater number of the jobs are worked remotely offshore, mainly India. They just VPN in. He doesn't have a problem with remote work if it's India doing it)
As Mark says, "go back and do it the right way." It looks like morality explains the whole thing. Musk is a moral man, therefore he uses H1Bs and offshore labor. Right-wing California farmers could do the same, simply do H1Bs like Elon but they are less moral so they don't. Morality and true patriotism explains it all.
It's looking like some folks in MAGA aren't happy about Elon and Bezos and other tech billionaires getting away with not giving Americans jobs. I mean, I'm all for kids these days learning a little hard work, but I think it's interesting that our Trump voters here have voted to deport 13M illegals, and 13 million American kids are going to finally learn how to milk cows and pluck chickens, but very few American kids are going to get the chance to work in technology because Elon and DOGE have replaced them with workers from India and China. And by the way, that's true. I've so far evaded the threats of outsourcing, but I can tell you there are very few young people tech jobs because while high experience techs can usually find a job still, there's little room for entry level to mid work because it goes overseas as much as possible.
Making America great for billionaires. lol. dumb "F"s.
I have a question for the MAGA people here, they don't need to respond just think about it. Is Elon Musk a much better man and a greater patriot than a MAGA farmer in California because he brings tech workers over with H1B visas and they use illegals? (and by the way, that's one hell of a smoke screen itself as a far greater number of the jobs are worked remotely offshore, mainly India. They just VPN in. He doesn't have a problem with remote work if it's India doing it)
As Mark says, "go back and do it the right way." It looks like morality explains the whole thing. Musk is a moral man, therefore he uses H1Bs and offshore labor. Right-wing California farmers could do the same, simply do H1Bs like Elon but they are less moral so they don't. Morality and true patriotism explains it all.
It's looking like some folks in MAGA aren't happy about Elon and Bezos and other tech billionaires getting away with not giving Americans jobs. I mean, I'm all for kids these days learning a little hard work, but I think it's interesting that our Trump voters here have voted to deport 13M illegals, and 13 million American kids are going to finally learn how to milk cows and pluck chickens, but very few American kids are going to get the chance to work in technology because Elon and DOGE have replaced them with workers from India and China. And by the way, that's true. I've so far evaded the threats of outsourcing, but I can tell you there are very few young people tech jobs because while high experience techs can usually find a job still, there's little room for entry level to mid work because it goes overseas as much as possible.
Making America great for billionaires. lol. dumb "F"s.
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Thanks for confirming that. I wish more people would become well-informed enough to realize that. I am sure that, in general, Democrats tend to understand this reality more than ultra-right Republicans, even though I realize that even Democrat leaders are also often influenced and beholden to wealthy oligarchs and donors to an unhealthy degree.Gadianton wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:55 pmYou're essentially right, Gunner. Even if Democrats didn't take seriously enough the reality that a great many people took grocery store prices as their representation of the economy -- and Democrats should have taken it seriously -- it's not like these people were "smarter" by voting for a " pathological liar, self-serving and vindictive narcissist" who also isn't going to lower grocery prices just lie about it and in addition, do a ton of stupid crap if not some really destructive things.
Making America great for billionaires. lol. dumb "F"s.
by the way, you misspelled my name again.

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No, he didn't. It's Gunner. It's always been Gunner. I prounced your name as such for decades and I'm never wrong.Gunnar wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 3:42 amThanks for confirming that. I wish more people would become well-informed enough to realize that. I am sure that, in general, Democrats tend to understand this reality more than ultra-right Republicans, even though I realize that even Democrat leaders are also often influenced and beholden to wealthy oligarchs and donors to an unhealthy degree.Gadianton wrote: ↑Fri Dec 27, 2024 2:55 pmYou're essentially right, Gunner. Even if Democrats didn't take seriously enough the reality that a great many people took grocery store prices as their representation of the economy -- and Democrats should have taken it seriously -- it's not like these people were "smarter" by voting for a " pathological liar, self-serving and vindictive narcissist" who also isn't going to lower grocery prices just lie about it and in addition, do a ton of stupid crap if not some really destructive things.
Making America great for billionaires. lol. dumb "F"s.
by the way, you misspelled my name again.![]()
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