Why Norway is Becoming the World's Richest Country

[canpakes]

But ironically more billionaires supported Biden, then Harris, than Trump.

The stats at Open Secrets appear to challenge that conclusion. As example, check out the top three sources of dollars for the Trump campaign, as opposed to the list for Biden/Harris.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

[ajax18]

if we believe Bidden was not ran out of the race by anyone other than the "oligarchs" on the left. Once they saw he had no chance, they pulled the plug, not the people.

How often do those who want global communism for everyone else want the same thing for themselves? Did Stalin, Mao Zadong, Obama, or even Bernie Sanders give up all their property to be divided amongst the poor?

[ajax18]

But ironically more billionaires supported Biden, then Harris, than Trump.

The stats at Open Secrets appear to challenge that conclusion. As example, check out the top three sources of dollars for the Trump campaign, as opposed to the list for Biden/Harris.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

Trump Vs. Harris Fundraising: Harris Outraises Trump By Nearly 5-to-1 Among Last Minute Big Donors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... on-report/

[Markk]

But ironically more billionaires supported Biden, then Harris, than Trump.

The stats at Open Secrets appear to challenge that conclusion. As example, check out the top three sources of dollars for the Trump campaign, as opposed to the list for Biden/Harris.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dereksaul/ ... n-updated/

There is another source that I can't remember, that had it pretty much the same, it was post election. But either way it supports my point. I should also point out that Washington DC voted 92% Harris. And of that 92% how many do you believe were lobbyists, I bet more than a few?

Plus Biden gave medals of freedom to Bloomberg and George Soros, in 24 and 25.

[canpakes]

The stats at Open Secrets appear to challenge that conclusion. As example, check out the top three sources of dollars for the Trump campaign, as opposed to the list for Biden/Harris.

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

https://www.opensecrets.org/2024-presid ... c=b&type=f

Trump Vs. Harris Fundraising: Harris Outraises Trump By Nearly 5-to-1 Among Last Minute Big Donors

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurk ... on-report/

The stats from Open Secrets already contain those late additions reported in the 11/04 Forbes article. Per the website:

“Federal-level numbers are for the 2024 election cycle and based on Federal Election Commission data released electronically on 12/09/24.”

That being the case, check out the top three donors/organizations for each candidate.

[canpakes]

There is another source that I can't remember, that had it pretty much the same, it was post election. But either way it supports my point.

Not if you’re talking about dollars from billionaires, according to that list.

Not only that, but three billionaires gave over $500 million to the Trump campaign. As a ratio compared to all contributions, including small-dollar contributions, the ratio of dollars from billionaires compared to ordinary Americans points to the Trump campaign receiving the greatest proportion of its money strictly from that handful of billionaires. If an oligarchy is seen as undesirable, then this tally would be a good example of something to avoid.

I should also point out that Washington DC voted 92% Harris. And of that 92% how many do you believe were lobbyists, I bet more than a few?

I don’t think that anyone in D.C. is handing over much of anything for one vote, and in a district that only has 3 electors, especially if no politician can verify how any lobbyist voted anyway.

[Markk]

There is another source that I can't remember, that had it pretty much the same, it was post election. But either way it supports my point.

Not if you’re talking about dollars from billionaires, according to that list.

Not only that, but three billionaires gave over $500 million to the Trump campaign. As a ratio compared to all contributions, including small-dollar contributions, the ratio of dollars from billionaires compared to ordinary Americans points to the Trump campaign receiving the greatest proportion of its money strictly from that handful of billionaires. If an oligarchy is seen as undesirable, then this tally would be a good example of something to avoid.

I should also point out that Washington DC voted 92% Harris. And of that 92% how many do you believe were lobbyists, I bet more than a few?

I don’t think that anyone in D.C. is handing over much of anything for one vote, and in a district that only has 3 electors, especially if no politician can verify how any lobbyist voted anyway.

Well, that is not what I wrote. More Billionaires supported Biden, than Harris, period.

Lobbyists for major corporations live in DC. And the are filling the pockets of politicians. Whether right or wrong, I believe Trump is a threat to the side hustles of many of these politicians, on both sides. He swept out the Bush's, Romney, Scarborough, Powell, Graham, and many others. And most of the democratic money grabbers and their oligarchs like Hollywood, Unions, Pharm etc. How did as an example, Hillary, earn 100 million dollars while making a few hundred K a year in salary?

The whole Trump is forming a oligarchy is just the latest talking point and nonsense. Many of the "oligarchs" supported Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

[canpakes]

Well, that is not what I wrote. More Billionaires supported Biden, than Harris, period.

And there’s a herd of pink unicorns living down by the corner gas station, period.

See how easy it is to say something while offering no information to support the statement?

But I wouldn’t be surprised that some folks who had already given to the Biden campaign gave no more after Harris was switched in. In and of itself, this seems a meaningless observation, even without backup facts.

Lobbyists for major corporations live in DC. And the are filling the pockets of politicians. Whether right or wrong, I believe Trump is a threat to the side hustles of many of these politicians, on both sides.

I see. You believe that lobbyists are only employed to lobby for things that are of no interest to the present Administration, so they will all quit and go home, now. And that the fellow who hawks golden sneakers, cheap cologne, crappy vodka, bad steaks, fraudulent ‘university’ titles, virtual trading cards, Chinese-printed bibles, nonexistent watches, and cryptocurrency scams is above any interest or need to partake in … any more ‘side hustles’.

That’s an interesting theory you have, there. : )

How did as an example, Hillary, earn 100 million dollars while making a few hundred K a year in salary?

Politicians are still allowed to invest in things. Sometimes even brainless investments pay off big. Last year, the S&P 500 returned 25%. The average yearly return over the last 30 years, adjusted for inflation, is around 8.25% per year. If all Bill and Hillary ever did was load $10 million into an index fund back in 1995, it would be worth $108 million today. You know how compounding works; how difficult is it to see how people with money end up with lots more money as long as they aren’t braindead?

As example, if you thought that Trump made most of his money via real estate, you might be surprised to see that vast amounts of his income derives from common government bonds. Check it out:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ated-8923/

The whole Trump is forming a oligarchy is just the latest talking point and nonsense. Many of the "oligarchs" supported Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

That doesn’t mean that one or more billionaires cannot be exerting undue influence now, under Trump. Certainly, there has been no equivalent to, as example, billionaires Ramaswamy and Musk’s influence at the table today, either in having provided disproportional dollar amounts to Trump’s campaign, or in being awarded their own agency to unilaterally decide what is worth spending government money on or not, in the midst of holding millions of dollars in government contracts through their own companies. No contemporary Presidency has experienced or allowed this.

[Dr Exiled]

Both sides are beholden too much to billionaires and their lobbyists.

[Markk]

Well, that is not what I wrote. More Billionaires supported Biden, than Harris, period.

And there’s a herd of pink unicorns living down by the corner gas station, period.

See how easy it is to say something while offering no information to support the statement?

But I wouldn’t be surprised that some folks who had already given to the Biden campaign gave no more after Harris was switched in. In and of itself, this seems a meaningless observation, even without backup facts.

Lobbyists for major corporations live in DC. And the are filling the pockets of politicians. Whether right or wrong, I believe Trump is a threat to the side hustles of many of these politicians, on both sides.

I see. You believe that lobbyists are only employed to lobby for things that are of no interest to the present Administration, so they will all quit and go home, now. And that the fellow who hawks golden sneakers, cheap cologne, crappy vodka, bad steaks, fraudulent ‘university’ titles, virtual trading cards, Chinese-printed bibles, nonexistent watches, and cryptocurrency scams is above any interest or need to partake in ... any more ‘side hustles’.

That’s an interesting theory you have, there. : )

How did as an example, Hillary, earn 100 million dollars while making a few hundred K a year in salary?

Politicians are still allowed to invest in things. Sometimes even brainless investments pay off big. Last year, the S&P 500 returned 25%. The average yearly return over the last 30 years, adjusted for inflation, is around 8.25% per year. If all Bill and Hillary ever did was load $10 million into an index fund back in 1995, it would be worth $108 million today. You know how compounding works; how difficult is it to see how people with money end up with lots more money as long as they aren’t braindead?

As example, if you thought that Trump made most of his money via real estate, you might be surprised to see that vast amounts of his income derives from common government bonds. Check it out:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ated-8923/

The whole Trump is forming a oligarchy is just the latest talking point and nonsense. Many of the "oligarchs" supported Clinton, Obama, and Biden.

That doesn’t mean that one or more billionaires cannot be exerting undue influence now, under Trump. Certainly, there has been no equivalent to, as example, billionaires Ramaswamy and Musk’s influence at the table today, either in having provided disproportional dollar amounts to Trump’s campaign, or in being awarded their own agency to unilaterally decide what is worth spending government money on or not, in the midst of holding millions of dollars in government contracts through their own companies. No contemporary Presidency has experienced or allowed this.

Sure, and these many life long politicians who make 170K a year and who are now multi-millionaires are just savvy at buying and trading stock....and they don't let the inside information they hear from private committee and scuttlebutt from their peers influence their investments, why would they! I'm sure that Nancy Pelosi being privy to all the the new regulations or regulations secretly decided to be removed in regard to the different "corporations" such as war related contractors, Pharma, energy, trade, industry...etc., does not use that information for personal investments, and bargain with it to secure votes from fellow law makers. I'm sure if she were to hear that a multi billion dollars contract was being awarded or suspended by congress in a private committee, she would never ever adjust her portfolio accordingly.

You sound like a Mopologist making excuses that Joseph did not commit Polygamy. You are in a cult if you are trying to defend that these politicians aren't bilking us and taking advantage of the system, both sides of the Isle.

in my opinion, Trump has screwed, and is screwing that system up. The left and never Trumpers don't hate him because of the hollow talking points they push and the media runs with, like the current "he is forming a Oligarchy,".... they hate him because he is screwing up the money train that these folks were getting rich from.

I was googling net worth of politicians the other night....if true, Mitch McConnell in 2015 was worth 26 million, and then in 2018 34 million. Bernie Sanders went from something like 500k to 5 million in a decade, making 170k a year. In the same period of time the Pelosi's made 150 million on top of their 100 million.

Pakes:....The average yearly return over the last 30 years, adjusted for inflation, is around 8.25% per year.

Unless one follows Nancy's trades, of 54%....Lol....reading this; we are truly a bunch of dumb craps for letting this happen, we really are.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nancy-pe ... 16264.html

Pakes: If all Bill and Hillary ever did was load $10 million into an index fund back in 1995, it would be worth $108 million today.

Lol...The Clinton's should have had more dinners with the Pelosi's...if they would have followed the Pelosi's and doubled down a few times they would be billionaires, if they aren't already. I can only imagine what some of these folks have in offshore accounts. By the way, in 1995 they only had 1 million dollars +-.

My hope is Trump will try to clean this up, and if not fully, at least in part. If it turns out to be business as usual; in four years I will either be cussing him, and myself, or making lame mopologentic type arguments like you are.