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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:56 am
There was a bloke in Austria in the 1930's that thought similar.
I think you mean Germany.
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:44 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 8:56 am
There was a bloke in Austria in the 1930's that thought similar.
I think you mean Germany.
Hitler was Austrian. But I take your correction.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:12 am
Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:44 am
I think you mean Germany.
Hitler was Austrian. But I take your correction.
In such a case, you'd say, "There was a bloke from Austria."
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:19 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:12 am
Hitler was Austrian. But I take your correction.
In such a case, you'd say, "There was a bloke from Austria."
I’m fully aware of that. Thanks.
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huckelberry wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:02 pm
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Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:34 am
I might be wrong. But the early signs aren’t encouraging. And he certainly attempted it last time.
Even if he were to succeed in overcoming elections next time that is not the end of democracy. It would be an interruption of democracy, an idea and expectation which certainly will not die.
Just like the notion of World Peace lives on as an idea and expectation. Democracy will still exist, just not in the United States of Trumpland.
Donald Trump spent the four years after the January 6 insurrection attempting to rewrite the violence and chaos he inspired as his supporters stormed the US Capitol.

On the first day of his second term as president, he took the rewriting to its final step by issuing pardons and reducing sentences for those involved in the insurrection, including the leaders of far-right militias and those who battled with police that day.

If the criminal charges were meant to deter future acts of political violence, the pardons of more than 1,500 people do the opposite, experts said.

“This is going beyond rewriting what January 6 was,” said Robert Pape, the director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats at the University of Chicago who has studied January 6 defendants. “This is about legitimating future January 6ths.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-analysis

That's exactly what he's doing. Empowering people to commit violence if things don't go his way.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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msnobody wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 6:53 pm
Molok wrote:
Thu Jan 16, 2025 7:21 pm
No, I'm sure I'll be seeing enough of the rapist against my will, so I'll be giving this one a pass. For our conservative board members, please remember to keep your arm at a 45 degree angle to do a proper sieg heil.
What a horrible thing to say.
And an even more horrible thing to see done while adoring masses cheer. This country is cooked.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:25 pm
huckelberry wrote:
Tue Jan 21, 2025 10:02 pm
Even if he were to succeed in overcoming elections next time that is not the end of democracy. It would be an interruption of democracy, an idea and expectation which certainly will not die.
Just like the notion of World Peace lives on as an idea and expectation. Democracy will still exist, just not in the United States of Trumpland.
Donald Trump spent the four years after the January 6 insurrection attempting to rewrite the violence and chaos he inspired as his supporters stormed the US Capitol.

On the first day of his second term as president, he took the rewriting to its final step by issuing pardons and reducing sentences for those involved in the insurrection, including the leaders of far-right militias and those who battled with police that day.

If the criminal charges were meant to deter future acts of political violence, the pardons of more than 1,500 people do the opposite, experts said.

“This is going beyond rewriting what January 6 was,” said Robert Pape, the director of the Chicago Project on Security and Threats at the University of Chicago who has studied January 6 defendants. “This is about legitimating future January 6ths.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... s-analysis

That's exactly what he's doing. Empowering people to commit violence if things don't go his way.
So don't wimp out.

I have Questions, I can share your concern but I do not see your comparison to world peace to be helpful. World peace is not something lost it is something that has never existed. It is something that has not even been close nor has there been progress towards it. Democracy has not been perfect but it has been an established real world system that works. Democracy brought us Mr. Trump. Is it democracy that you are unhappy with?
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huckelberry wrote:
Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:59 pm
So don't wimp out.
Don’t wimp out?
I have Questions, I can share your concern but I do not see your comparison to world peace to be helpful. World peace is not something lost it is something that has never existed. It is something that has not even been close nor has there been progress towards it. Democracy has not been perfect but it has been an established real world system that works. Democracy brought us Mr. Trump. Is it democracy that you are unhappy with?
I don’t know how you’ve concluded that I might have a an issue with democracy. The issue is that a narcissistic lunatic has been elected President. I’m trying to fathom why.

What did I hear him say in an interview today…oh yes…that The Congo has emptied its prisons into the United States of America….
Serge Mombouli, the Republic of Congo’s ambassador to the US, said in an email to CNN on Friday: “There is no truth or any sign nor a single fact supporting such a claim or statement.”

A CNN fact check found the same.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/16/poli ... index.html
It's just a flat out baseless lie. And he's said it more than once.

I know quite a few people who I consider to be reasonably intelligent, who voted for this person. He is clearly unhinged, prepared to say anything regardless of the facts, and is obviously on a mission to feather his own nest and usurp both the American constitution and democracy as quickly as possible. The bigger worry, is that a majority of people in America wanted this type of person in charge of the governance of their country, what does this result say about their mentality?

But never mind all that, just drill baby, drill.

To anyone that voted for him - how do you rationalise the outright lie he's telling about The Congo?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:25 am

What did I hear him say in an interview today…oh yes…that The Congo has emptied its prisons into the United States of America….
Serge Mombouli, the Republic of Congo’s ambassador to the US, said in an email to CNN on Friday: “There is no truth or any sign nor a single fact supporting such a claim or statement.”

A CNN fact-check found the same.
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/03/16/poli ... index.html
It's just a flat-out baseless lie. And he's said it more than once.
Trump will continue his incessant lying, but now he has the support of American institutions, the government, and Russia to back him up.

This will drive a wedge between a crumbling America and the rest of the world.
Cry Heaven and let loose the Penguins of Peace
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Donald Trump has said that attacks on police officers during the January 6 riots were "minor incidents".
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-Trump ... s-13294683

I might be holding a different definition of “minor incident” than a riotous mob storming the Capitol Building in an act of insurrection. I’m guessing Trump sees World War Two as a little bit of a skirmish on the back of a simple misunderstanding.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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