Why Norway is Becoming the World's Richest Country

[canpakes]

There are other things that we can discuss that divided the conversation. The Border is huge, as is crime, homelessness, foreign affairs, DEI, tariffs and trade....among others. I think these need to be included in any "rating" of either Trump, Biden and to a extent, Harris.

You’ve laid out the reason why I don’t think of a Presidency on a 1 to 10 scale.

A lot of these topics are best handled individually, and many have been discussed within dedicated threads.

[Markk]

There are other things that we can discuss that divided the conversation. The Border is huge, as is crime, homelessness, foreign affairs, DEI, tariffs and trade....among others. I think these need to be included in any "rating" of either Trump, Biden and to a extent, Harris.

You’ve laid out the reason why I don’t think of a Presidency on a 1 to 10 scale.

A lot of these topics are best handled individually, and many have been discussed within dedicated threads.

LOL, like this is some kind of binding discussion, and you don't have a over all opinion of how he preformed in his 4 years. But okay how did he do on the southern border?

[canpakes]

LOL, like this is some kind of binding discussion, …

I see that you haven’t read Section 227, subsection M, line 57 of your DM Internet Board Access (DMIBA) Agreement. Shame on you.

But okay how did he do on the southern border?

Not very well, as far as being on the ball with tackling the crowds. The Administration clearly missed a number of opportunities to rise to that challenge.

That said, until more immigration judges are approved and paid for, you could completely close the border tomorrow to any and all entrants for whatever reason for a few years, and you’d still have a 7 - 12 year backlog of cases to deal with.

Given how long this shortage has persisted, who can we blame for that?

Also, those crazy libertarians over at the CATO Institute have concluded that the deportation focus employed by the Biden Administration was more effective than that of the prior Trump Administration, and that Trump’s tenure saw more dangerous criminals admitted and remaining.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show ... rump-biden

Who can we blame for that?

[Gunnar]

Folks will write books, and things will leak out, and we will find out how dysfunctional his presidency was. History will decide his legacy, no doubt, as it does with all presidents, and as it will with Trump.

Well that's already in the works:

https://uh.edu/news-events/stories/2024 ... survey.php

About President Joe Biden:
President Biden’s inaugural inclusion in the Presidential Greatness Project rankings finds him in the top third of presidents, ranked #14 with a rating of 62.7/100 which is higher than Obama’s first rating in 2015 (58.2) and dramatically higher than Trump’s first rating in 2018 (13.0).

“Scholars often emphasize stability of norms in assessing presidential greatness, so Joe Biden, serving after a tumultuous Trump administration, entered the survey on a high note,” Rottinghaus said.

Trump was again the lowest-ranked president (10.9) with James Buchanan (16.7), Andrew Johnson (21.6), Franklin Pierce (24.6) and William Henry Harrison (26.1) rounding out the bottom five.

Or maybe you meant right-wing Senators who write self-published books -- something like that?

I think it is safe to conclude that by almost every relevant measure, Biden was a better and certainly more moral and compassionate President than Donald J. Trump, and he will go down in history as such. After completion of Trump's current term, this will only become more glaringly evident to the well-informed and educated, and probably even to some of his current MAGA supporters.

[Markk]

LOL, like this is some kind of binding discussion, ...

I see that you haven’t read Section 227, subsection M, line 57 of your DM Internet Board Access (DMIBA) Agreement. Shame on you.

But okay how did he do on the southern border?

Not very well, as far as being on the ball with tackling the crowds. The Administration clearly missed a number of opportunities to rise to that challenge.

That said, until more immigration judges are approved and paid for, you could completely close the border tomorrow to any and all entrants for whatever reason for a few years, and you’d still have a 7 - 12 year backlog of cases to deal with.

Given how long this shortage has persisted, who can we blame for that?

Also, those crazy libertarians over at the CATO Institute have concluded that the deportation focus employed by the Biden Administration was more effective than that of the prior Trump Administration, and that Trump’s tenure saw more dangerous criminals admitted and remaining.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show ... rump-biden

Who can we blame for that?

So, "not very well" in regards to the border and immigration. Maybe a 2.? or a D- or F+...correct me if you want to bump that up, or bring it down? Note: we can break these down later.

Okay next crime? How do you feel he did on crime? On helping citizens to feel secure?

[canpakes]

I see that you haven’t read Section 227, subsection M, line 57 of your DM Internet Board Access (DMIBA) Agreement. Shame on you.



Not very well, as far as being on the ball with tackling the crowds. The Administration clearly missed a number of opportunities to rise to that challenge.

That said, until more immigration judges are approved and paid for, you could completely close the border tomorrow to any and all entrants for whatever reason for a few years, and you’d still have a 7 - 12 year backlog of cases to deal with.

Given how long this shortage has persisted, who can we blame for that?

Also, those crazy libertarians over at the CATO Institute have concluded that the deportation focus employed by the Biden Administration was more effective than that of the prior Trump Administration, and that Trump’s tenure saw more dangerous criminals admitted and remaining.

https://www.cato.org/blog/new-data-show ... rump-biden

Who can we blame for that?

So, "not very well" in regards to the border and immigration. Maybe a 2.? or a D- or F+...correct me if you want to bump that up, or bring it down? Note: we can break these down later.

Okay next crime? How do you feel he did on crime? On helping citizens to feel secure?

lol. He’d have had a better record if Trump had suffered any consequences for his crimes. There you go.

Now, start some threads. : D

[Markk]

So, "not very well" in regards to the border and immigration. Maybe a 2.? or a D- or F+...correct me if you want to bump that up, or bring it down? Note: we can break these down later.

Okay next crime? How do you feel he did on crime? On helping citizens to feel secure?

lol. He’d have had a better record if Trump had suffered any consequences for his crimes. There you go.

Now, start some threads. : D

No, how did Biden do on crime? This is a fair question.

[canpakes]

This is a fair question.

Ask FAIR, then. : D

[Markk]

This is a fair question.

Ask FAIR, then. : D

I'll take that as an Incomplete.

Next would be how did he do on homelessness? This is one that is that gets really complicated in my opinion, because it has many nuances and variables....such as immigration, mental illness, and addiction?

[Gadianton]

I posted this recently, but:

I'm trying to get these folks to open up a bit, and actually have a conversation

I believe we can objectively show that both Trump and Biden had their foots on the throttle of the money printing machine,

Similar graph here and I'll let the Federal Reserve make the point:

https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-econo ... ary%202020.

Figure 1 shows that recent inflation behavior has been consistent with a lagged effect of M2 on personal consumption expenditures (PCE) inflation. That is, PCE inflation (red line) began to rise in February 2021, at the peak of M2 growth rates and a year after M2 growth began soaring in February 2020.

So, there's the correlation between M2 and inflation. It takes time for money to circulate, and the effects in the form of inflation don't manifest on day one. That being the case, if we're going to blame the president in office as at fault for the money creation (and given Trump insisted on signing the checks himself, no president in history better deserves credit for it) then Trump clearly wins as the inflationary president. That was your criteria, who is "printing the money".

We also have the constant threats and pressure of Trump against Jerome Powell, to do what, Markk? Can you guess? Here's one example from 2019

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/09/18/Trump-s ... ision.html

The president was apparently looking for a much larger cut; he had called for the Fed to bring interest rates “down to ZERO, or less,” just last week.

Now, let's tie two concept together. You insisted we talk about "money printing" but obviously, the president doesn't have a machine in the White House that literally prints money -- or is that what you think? If you meant it as a metaphor, explain the metaphor.

To the extent that presidents can be blamed for inflation, nobody deserves the blame more than Trump.