Trump Desires to be Sued Over Birthright Citizenship, Does Anyone Understand Why?

[Gunnar]

So what is unreasonable about our current system and sop to become a citizen and/or obtain a work visa?

Here is the application, is there anything un-reasonable about this?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/apply-for-citizenship

That would be wonderful if it were applied evenly across the board without undue prejudice and bias. But Trump and many of his MAGA sycophants don't even try to hide their irrational bias against non-whites, non-heterosexuals, people of certain ethnicities, religions, cultural backgrounds, nationalities and other minorities.

[Jersey Girl]

Oh my word, GUN-ar! I think you may have just hit the nail on the head with that! It's scary to think how ignorant a person could be but...it does seem to fit.

I am far from the first person to have suggested that.

Or it may be more likely that he knows the difference but is counting on large numbers of voters being too ignorant to know the difference being persuaded that that is what is meant by asylum seekers.

I don't believe I've ever heard that before. I think that you're either right or he's simply dishing up word salad to his supporters and they receive it as you described.

[Gunnar]

Some of Trump's actions clearly violate his oath to abide by the Constitution and defend it, like his attempt to nullify the birthright citizen clause in the 14th Amendment. That should be enough to justify impeaching him. As I have said before, if the Republicans in Congress had any integrity or spine left, they would unanimously join the Democrats to impeach him. But that would leave J.D. Vance as president, and he is likely to just as bad, or maybe even worse than Trump. And if J.D. Vance is also deservedly impeached, that would make the Speaker of the house, who is next in line, President and I don't think Mike Johnson is significantly better than either of the other two. He is a religious bigot who obviously favors turning our country into a hard core, fundamentalist Christian doctrinaire theocracy. It would probably be better to wait until after the midterm election, after which Democrats will likely have regained the majority in the House and then impeach both Trump and Vance. Hakim Jeffries would then be likely elected to Speaker of the House and become the next president after both Trump and Vance are impeached and convicted. I think Jeffries is obviously more competent, honest and reasonable than either Trump, Vance or Johnson, and would probably be a better President than any of those three.

I realize this scenario is unlikely to happen, but I can always dream and hope, can't I? I dread what will happen to this country if Trump or some other MAGA idiot remains in power for four long years, and I hope that even a majority of Republicans will be unable to avoid seeing how badly Trump has messed up our country and its economy by the time of the next midterm election.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has Just reached the age of 35 and is now eligible to be elected President. Wouldn't that be something if she were elected Speaker of the House, and wound up becoming President because the current felon in the Whitehouse and Vance were both impeached? She would then be not only the first female President, but the youngest President ever! I have nothing but the greatest admiration for her and her demonstrated intelligence, wisdom, knowledge of the constitution and fairness.

[Gunnar]

Jamie Raskin Instantly PULVERIZES Court Ruling on Trump DISQUALIFICATION

Jamie Raskin brilliantly argues that because of Trump's insurrection and other obvious violations of his oath of office to defend the Constitution, a literal reading of the Constitution unequivocally requires that he must be disqualified for and removed from office.

[Markk]

So what is unreasonable about our current system and sop to become a citizen and/or obtain a work visa?

Here is the application, is there anything un-reasonable about this?

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/apply-for-citizenship

That would be wonderful if it were applied evenly across the board without undue prejudice and bias. But Trump and many of his MAGA sycophants don't even try to hide their irrational bias against non-whites, non-heterosexuals, people of certain ethnicities, religions, cultural backgrounds, nationalities and other minorities.

Such as, that is just a talking point with no merit?

It (applying for citizenship) has nothing to do with Trump. Of the past 16 years....12 years of that time the border was ran by democrats and the application for citizenship has always been available. In fact with the inception of the internet I bet it is more easily accessed. The border has been a mess since before Regan, and mismanaged by Democrats and Republicans alike. Trump is trying to clean it up. Now we have to foot that bill. It will take time, years, but drugs and American deaths because of it will decline. Sex trafficking will decline. Illegal immigrant crimes in our country will decline, as will things such a human trafficking. Isn't that a good thing?

In regard to human trafficking the cartels charge around 18k, and up to 30k per person to get them either across the border. It is big business Gunnar. Drugs come over the border at an alarming rate with little consequences for those who do get caught smuggling it is. Children and young women are being trafficked for sex. Convicted criminal and terrorists come across this way. Why is this a bad thing to get aggressive and stop it?

If a person can pay that to a cartel member, they can certainly hire a immigration attorney to help file the paperwork.

[canpakes]

If a person can pay that to a cartel member, they can certainly hire a immigration attorney to help file the paperwork.

Markk, I’m thinkin’ that it’s a bit more complex than that.

First, you are assigned your court date with an immigration judge. Assignment occurs when you are first released after crossing into the country. Your court date could be a year or more away.

If the judge rules that you can remain, then you can apply for a green card. This makes you a ‘lawful permanent resident’. See requirements -

https://www.dhs.gov/get-green-card

After 5 years of being a lawful permanent resident, you can then apply for citizenship using the N-400 form, along with a fee, after meeting additional requirements -

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn ... of-5-years

You will then be subject to a delay of up to another 3 - 8 years.

Maybe talk to some of the folks that are part of your construction team, if you share that level of trust with them. Hearing from folks working their way through that path could be insightful.

[canpakes]

Jamie Raskin Instantly PULVERIZES Court Ruling on Trump DISQUALIFICATION

Jamie Raskin brilliantly argues that because of Trump's insurrection and other obvious violations of his oath of office to defend the Constitution, a literal reading of the Constitution unequivocally requires that he must be disqualified for and removed from office.

You’re going to have to lure him out with a cheeseburger.

[Markk]

If a person can pay that to a cartel member, they can certainly hire a immigration attorney to help file the paperwork.

Markk, I’m thinkin’ that it’s a bit more complex than that.

First, you are assigned your court date with an immigration judge. Assignment occurs when you are first released after crossing into the country. Your court date could be a year or more away.

If the judge rules that you can remain, then you can apply for a green card. This makes you a ‘lawful permanent resident’. See requirements -

https://www.dhs.gov/get-green-card

After 5 years of being a lawful permanent resident, you can then apply for citizenship using the N-400 form, along with a fee, after meeting additional requirements -

https://www.uscis.gov/citizenship/learn ... of-5-years

You will then be subject to a delay of up to another 3 - 8 years.

Maybe talk to some of the folks that are part of your construction team, if you share that level of trust with them. Hearing from folks working their way through that path could be insightful.

HuH....you can apply before you come here.

I sit next to a person most every work day that did this legally and is on a work visa, from Dubai, and is hoping someday to become a citizen, he has college degree, and did things the right way. He just had a son who is a citizen now (I assume), and is back in Dubai for a month showing off his new son. I sit across from an anchor baby, born in LA, then raised and schooled in Tecate, a very good kid (31 years old) and friend, I mentor him in the business. And I have carpenters and masons that have green cards, I can ask them how they got them. I know workers, when I do projects in San Diego, that have green cards, yet choose to live in TJ, and drive over the border each day, because it is cheaper, much cheaper. They even get unemployment benefits while living in Mexico, when they get laid off, and have a few friends that received Reagan amnesty. There are different legal ways. No one said it is easy, or fast. Nor should it be.

I also know employees, and they come and go, that simply pay a cartel member a lot of money, come here and then go to place Huntington Park, buy fake ID's. Get a phony social, and then bounce around.

Are you saying because the legal path to US citizenship takes time, they have the right to break the the law, put a stain on our system, and should expect no punishment, just a reward?

What questions do you have for anyone of these folks?

[canpakes]

Are you saying because the legal path to US citizenship takes time, they have the right to break the the law, put a stain on our system, and should expect no punishment, just a reward?

Regarding ‘rewards’ - if a border crosser with the fake ID is working in the meantime (while awaiting their court date and chance to obtain a green card/LPR status) and having taxes pulled from his/her wages under that ID - isn’t the ‘reward’ being shared by their employer, both in work rendered and taxes paid by the illegal employee that don’t credit back to them for social security? We can acknowledge that some will also use taxpayer resources, but a lot of Americans do the same.

As far as the question of “are you saying ..?” Well, you can read what I wrote. If that’s how you interpret it, then that’s what you’re going to see. But my point, in response to your comment about just hiring a lawyer to fill out an application, is meant to emphasize a point that you also made:

“ … No one said it is easy, or fast. Nor should it be.”

Folks who’ve arrived at the border and assigned a court date are technically following the legal procedure, even as it’s not as apparent. Would you agree?

[Markk]

Cakes: Regarding ‘rewards’ - if a border crosser with the fake ID is working in the meantime (while awaiting their court date and chance to obtain a green card/LPR status) and having taxes pulled from his/her wages under that ID - isn’t the ‘reward’ being shared by their employer, both in work rendered and taxes paid that don’t credit back to them for social security? We can acknowledge that some will also use taxpayer resources, but a lot of Americans do the same.

That is just a strawman. It assumes so many things.

1. If they are here with a fake ID, that is somehow okay and not against the law. I can't do that, and neither can you lawfully. If they are working here they are doing so illegally.
2. The court date that they are waiting for is a NTA, which is the start for deportation, and not citizenship.
3. If they really wanted a green card, they could have applied for one vis that legal process.
4. No, it is not shared by the employer. An employer pays employee taxes whether the person is legal or not. How on earth does an employer benefit from that? As far as business goes, an employer might benefit by having a lower overhead and greater profit, by hiring folks accepting lesser wages than citizens who demand a higher living wage. SS taxes are set.
5. LOL, are you really saying that legal citizens and illegal immigrants . . . have equal right for public services? Yes, American citizens use and benefit from taxpayer resources.

Cakes...As far as the question of “are you saying ..?” Well, you can read what I wrote. If that’s how you interpret it, then that’s what you’re going to see. But my point, in response to your comment about just hiring a lawyer to fill out an application, is meant to emphasize a point that you also made:

“ ... No one said it is easy, or fast. Nor should it be.”

Folks who’ve arrived at the border and assigned a court date are technically following the legal procedure, even if it’s not as apparent. Would you agree?

Folks that arrive at the border either get sent home, or receives a NTA, which is a promise to appear in regards to your removal from the US. It is not, in no way, the beginning of a legal citizenship. If one wants that they can apply, and if approved receive a green card, and after 5 or 6 years, they can apply for citizenship.