TBMs Diss'ing their wayward children

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Circa 2005, I attended a monthly breakfast meeting for estate planning professionals. The speaker was from the LDS Foundation. He suggested that professionals who advice TBMs ought to steer the TBMs to dividing their estates into as many equal shares a they have children. Have their wills/trusts devise the shares for their obedient, LDS active children to such children. But with the shares of their wayward ex-Mo children go to the LDS Foundation in the names of and instead to those wayward children. Appalled by such and in protest of them having booked such a speaker, I stopped attending even though 10 years earlier I had been the president of that organization for those estate planning professionals.

Recently, I found out that for Christmas a month ago an elderly TBM couple that has some TBM children and some wayward ex-Mo children gave gifts to their TBM children, but to their wayward ones, sent the a 6"x9" photo of the parents standing in front of a Light the World Giving Machine (like a vending machine). On the back of the photo one of the waywards received was written: You donated a fruit tree.

That wayward child told me about this and mused that he might, for future Christmases and birthdays, make a donation in mom and/or dad's name(s) to Planned Parenthood.

Ahhh, such makes me smile when I hear Mormon leaders claim the Mormon church is so family oriented. Families can be Forever!
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It often appears that TSCC has abandoned any pretense of adhering to the teachings of Christ.
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It’s incredibly heartbreaking. I pray for a future where Mormon leaders teach unconditional love and Mormon parents give it freely to their children no matter what.

I have seen Mormon parents accept their lesbian daughter unconditionally after painfully struggling with it for many years. It is possible, and members have the capacity. They just need leaders to get out of the way.
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What were the parents in the OP trying to achieve? What was their message? "You get nothing from us unless you're a faithful LDS Church member"? It's a great parenting example - if your child is NOT doing what you want them to do, withhold your gift giving until they comply. That sounds an awful lot like the alternative plan of salvation that in the beginning God opted against. Those TBM parents are actually not TBM's. They're following the counsel of Satan, as taught by their very own Church. Bizarre. I'm guessing they'd never acknowledge the irony.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 11:13 am
It's a great parenting example - if your child is doing what you want them to do, withhold your gift giving until they comply.
But if your child is doing what you want them to do, they're already in compliance, aren't they?
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 12:35 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 11:13 am
It's a great parenting example - if your child is doing what you want them to do, withhold your gift giving until they comply.
But if your child is doing what you want them to do, they're already in compliance, aren't they?
:lol: caught me again (I've edited the original)
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I wonder if the TBM parents think this will score them more points with Mormon God.
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sock puppet wrote:
Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:25 pm
I wonder if the TBM parents think this will score them more points with Mormon God.
They’re probably legitimately scared that they will be separated in the afterlife for eternity.

It’s spiritual extortion. “Nice family ya got there, would be a shame if something were to happen to it.” - Mormon God
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sock puppet wrote:
Fri Jan 31, 2025 5:59 pm
Circa 2005, I attended a monthly breakfast meeting for estate planning professionals. The speaker was from the LDS Foundation. He suggested that professionals who advice TBMs ought to steer the TBMs to dividing their estates into as many equal shares a they have children. Have their wills/trusts devise the shares for their obedient, LDS active children to such children. But with the shares of their wayward ex-Mo children go to the LDS Foundation in the names of and instead to those wayward children. Appalled by such and in protest of them having booked such a speaker, I stopped attending even though 10 years earlier I had been the president of that organization for those estate planning professionals.

Recently, I found out that for Christmas a month ago an elderly TBM couple that has some TBM children and some wayward ex-Mo children gave gifts to their TBM children, but to their wayward ones, sent the a 6"x9" photo of the parents standing in front of a Light the World Giving Machine (like a vending machine). On the back of the photo one of the waywards received was written: You donated a fruit tree.

That wayward child told me about this and mused that he might, for future Christmases and birthdays, make a donation in mom and/or dad's name(s) to Planned Parenthood.

Ahhh, such makes me smile when I hear Mormon leaders claim the Mormon church is so family oriented. Families can be Forever!
There was a video leaked a while back that advocated the same kind of nonsense. It is absolutely disgusting. Sickening.
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Periodically, when family members go a bit wayward or lax, I, as patriarch of the family, will sit them down and have them watch (and rewatch) this timeless LDS Philanthropies video: Journey to Become. It works every time. My love for my family members is perfect, infinite, enduring, and universal, but, like God’s love, it cannot correctly be characterized as unconditional. (Of course, the more righteous parts of my family are not exactly happy to lose claim to greater shares of the total family inheritance when less righteous members shape up, but that’s another matter.)
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