Claims Mormon area authority 70 helped a convicted child sexual abuser

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Re: Claims Mormon area authority 70 helped a convicted child sexual abuser

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So. A Mormon 70 (Phil) knows one of his sons has abused his other son’s child. He knows that son is on the sex offenders register. He decides to not tell his other son’s, the victim’s parent, that their child has been abused by their sibling and is in fact an ongoing danger to their kids. That Mormon 70 (Phil) wants to serve as a Mission President and so, with the Church’s advice and assistance, has the sex offenders register expunge the details of his son’s offending, and is then called as a Mission President. Whilst serving as a Mission President, Phil invites his known sex offender son to visit during a time when his previous victim will also be visiting. Knowingly putting offender and victim together like tethering a lamb for a Wolf. And again chooses to not warn his other son about the risk their children face. During that visit Phil not only fails to warn people about the risk to children present in the house, he allows a situation(s) to occur where the known offender and known victim are able to be alone together for a period of time long enough for further offending to occur.

Phil is knowingly facilitating his son’s sex offending. And he’s using his grandchildren to feed that offending. Phil is an equal danger to children and should also be included on a risk register. He cannot be trusted to keep children safe. I would also say that Phil’s behaviour makes me suspect he might also be involved in the actual offending.
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Re: Claims Mormon area authority 70 helped a convicted child sexual abuser

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2025 8:45 am
Phil is knowingly facilitating his son’s sex offending. And he’s using his grandchildren to feed that offending. Phil is an equal danger to children and should also be included on a risk register. He cannot be trusted to keep children safe. I would also say that Phil’s behaviour makes me suspect he might also be involved in the actual offending.
Sounds like this could become a General Conference talk on the power of LDS discernment.
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Re: Claims Mormon area authority 70 helped a convicted child sexual abuser

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pistolero wrote:
Thu Feb 13, 2025 1:14 am
Gabriel wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2025 11:18 pm
In less than a week since this forum was posted, you've managed to read some of the documents for the expungement proceedings? These appear to be levels of arcana above what is available to the uninitiated. Are they now legally "unexpunged"? If so, can you provide a source for this?

Pistolero, I don't doubt that what you are reporting from these documents is factual. You do, however, understand that you are putting everyone here in a position of having to rely on Moroni's Promise to accept them at face value, the more so since we're also being deprived of a ton of other information -- not to mention context. And it pains me in particular that I now find myself numbered with the likes of Poor Professor Anton who cannot read a sealed book.

As for myself, I've only posted from the court filing. Although it's behind a paywall, everyone here has access to it:
https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/cas ... ints_et_al
I would never, ever, ask anyone to rely on Moroni's promise. So I am glad that you brought this up.

As per the reddit thread on Bussey, in the comments, Floodlit agree to email people the papers if they request them - there is only one thread on this topic, so it's easy to find. Send the user a private message and they will arrange it with you, dead easy.

Last night I watched half of Dehlin's recent episode with the lawyers, where they state that the unexpungement was automatic after a further crime was committed. They will be one of the hardest read of your life. :x
Thank you, but with all due respect, would it not have been even more “dead easy” to site your source to begin with? By so doing, you could have removed all speculations as to whether you have “a friend of a friend who knows a lawyer who …” etc.

Per your advice, I checked out the reddit post (as well as the comments). And I just reread it to see what I may have missed. I see that most of the commenters there merely asked the Proprietor of Floodlit how they could donate to the cause, to which they replied that they could only post a link for donations via DM. Two commenters asked if they could be emailed a copy of the latest court filing: Bussey V. The church of Latter-Day Saints. These, he also invited to shoot a DM. As the Proprietor of Floodlit mentioned being an extremely busy person of late, I chose to purchase a copy at pacemonitor, instead.

Unless I'm reading things wrong, the OP’s post made no mention that they had a copy of the expungement judicial proceedings – either in Washington or Utah. Neither is it referenced on their website. However, he did include the following on his reddit post:
FLOODLIT has purchased copies of court documents in a King County, Washington criminal case that was sealed from 2017 to 2024, showing that PB was convicted in 2015 of multiple child molestation charges. At the time of his conviction, PB was 16 years old.

The 2025 lawsuit says that in 2015, while PB was still a registered sex offender in Washington and Utah, he met with a Mormon bishop to be interviewed in preparation to be ordained as a priest. The bishop approved the ordination, the suit says.
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... er_Mormon/

From the bolded portion above, my confusion is this: Are these the court documents of the expungement judicial proceedings? Or are they the documents of a single unsealed court case with multiple charges? In other words, is this the promised document from which you've been posting your information, or do we look for another?
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Re: Claims Mormon area authority 70 helped a convicted child sexual abuser

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Gabriel wrote:
Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:15 am
From the bolded portion above, my confusion is this: Are these the court documents of the expungement judicial proceedings? Or are they the documents of a single unsealed court case with multiple charges? In other words, is this the promised document from which you've been posting your information, or do we look for another?
Do yourself a favour, just email floodlit or alternatively if you are worried about wasting their time, send me an email address or some other form of communication and I will send you the bucket load that I have. I haven’t read them all and have only skimmed what I did read. They are extremely grim reading, and the finer details are just too disturbing for my tolerance levels.

There is definitely a document in the batch that includes letters from Phil, Cathy, grandparents, school principals, psychologists, directors of paedo rehab, etc… supporting a decision for his record to be sealed… I can’t remember if it was for Washington or UT.

If I recall correctly there is also a record where they ask the court for special permission for the perpetrator to attend a church dance, activity or whatever, without his parents there and someone else has to monitor/supervise him.

There are also some other revelations about his background which made me feel marginally, not much, but marginally more sympathetic to Phil… but that is only pre-2014 Bussey behaviour.

I still haven’t listened to the 2nd half of Dehlin’s 3-4 hour episode on the matter…
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