Trump Desires to be Sued Over Birthright Citizenship, Does Anyone Understand Why?

[Markk]

The United States has been maintaining a prison population of nearly two million for several years, so I figure there must be at least several hundred thousand American criminals still out there on the streets, or those prison numbers would have fallen by now. So there must be enough workers there to distribute fentanyl. If it fails to reach its consumers for lack of a distribution workforce, wages will just rise until enough American criminals start distributing fentanyl instead of whatever else they are currently doing.

Okay...and who is going to organize, and manage all these criminals? B-T-W, a large amount, if not most of these criminals are probably addicts, and it might not be a good idea to give them drugs to sell. But it is a interesting idea.

[Physics Guy]

Okay...and who is going to organize, and manage all these criminals?

Al Capone?

Sorry, but I don't understand this question. It's not as though the hundreds of thousands of criminals of which I wrote are all just independent muggers wandering through back alleys in disorganized packs like stray cats. They manage themselves. Some of them are all too good at it. That's why organized crime is a problem.

[Gadianton]

Markk, increasingly the communist, doesn't understand that cartels represent a market breakdown. You don't need a "cartel" to organize anything. A nation of shopkeepers, as Adam Smith argued for, should suffice just fine. Only in this case the shopkeepers don't have a shop per se, but a garage and an internet connection. They should be able to supply more and at a better price.

Cartels artificially constrain supply in order to prop up prices; that's kind of the point of the entire thing. Was it PG who mentioned OPEC and was that this thread, my apologies if so. In other words, cartels controlling drugs, like controlling anything else, should result in less drugs because their very existence is centered around propping up prices, which means preventing a market equilibrium by constraining supply.

Marcus gave a hint on the other thread of how to stop the fentanyl crisis. Markk could also research how China stopped the West's infliction of the opium crisis on them a long time ago. I haven't gone down the road here because mainly my point is that the human rights violations Markk is cheering for, arresting working migrants and sending them to Guantanamo Bay, has zero positive impact on the fentanyl crisis, and possibly will make it worse, that he has only become interested in solving to defend Trump. Not a great example of a Christian man in principle. (in practice, a great example)

[Markk]

Okay...and who is going to organize, and manage all these criminals?

Al Capone?

Sorry, but I don't understand this question. It's not as though the hundreds of thousands of criminals of which I wrote are all just independent muggers wandering through back alleys in disorganized packs like stray cats. They manage themselves. Some of them are all too good at it. That's why organized crime is a problem.

Such as? Have you ever been to a prison and dealt with these folks?

It is not like those making the product are going to organize a network, and then manage it. It would take years, while all the while if the politics of the day allowed it, the feds and local forces would be countering it. The Fed's and RICO would be all over it.

Most parolees will re-offend within a few years. Many of those that don't re-offend are likely trying to get their act together. Those that are just lucky enough not to get caught might recruited....but chances are they could not be trusted and are thief's and addicts. Are you going to put a add in the paper to get them?

It would have to be an established large gang to deal with something that large of a business or criminal enterprise, and someone has to manage it PG, it needs a structure.

They manage themselves.

It is a business, it will need to be managed, you just don't give a ex-con 25K worth of drugs and say go manage it, and don't cut the drugs, take any, or skim off the top. And if they did who is going to skin them alive and hang them from a bridge to send a message?

Do you understand how sophisticated the cartels are, an dhow ruthless they are?

[canpakes]

And if they did who is going to skin them alive and hang them from a bridge to send a message?

Are there employment listings for this? Asking for a qualified friend.

[Physics Guy]

Have you ever been to a prison and dealt with these folks?
...
Do you understand how sophisticated the cartels are, and how ruthless they are?

As a matter of fact I have been to a prison and dealt with the inmates. I spent four years at a university that was close to several prisons, and for a couple of those years I spent a couple of hours each week, during the semesters, playing board games and cards with inmates on sentences over ten years at a medium-security institution. Some of those guys were smart people.

Do you understand how sophisticated and ruthless American organised crime is? Your argument seems bizarrely naïve, Markk. You seem to imagine that sophisticated and ruthless organised crime only exists in other countries, and that American criminals are all drug-addled morons who would have to be organised from scratch and it would be terribly hard to do that because they are all so dumb that they'd just keep bumping into each other, falling down and spilling their fentanyl, and then just sitting there stunned. Why on earth would you think that?

As several people have been explaining, the actual importing of fentanyl into the US, and its distribution once there, is already mostly done by Americans.

[Markk]

Have you ever been to a prison and dealt with these folks?
...
Do you understand how sophisticated the cartels are, and how ruthless they are?

As a matter of fact I have been to a prison and dealt with the inmates. I spent four years at a university that was close to several prisons, and for a couple of those years I spent a couple of hours each week, during the semesters, playing board games and cards with inmates on sentences over ten years at a medium-security institution. Some of those guys were smart people.

Do you understand how sophisticated and ruthless American organised crime is? Your argument seems bizarrely naïve, Markk. You seem to imagine that sophisticated and ruthless organised crime only exists in other countries, and that American criminals are all drug-addled morons who would have to be organised from scratch and it would be terribly hard to do that because they are all so dumb that they'd just keep bumping into each other, falling down and spilling their fentanyl, and then just sitting there stunned. Why on earth would you think that?

As several people have been explaining, the actual importing of fentanyl into the US, and its distribution once there, is already mostly done by Americans.

You just added another element here that is not really so. The citizens bringing it across are mules, it is not theirs, it is the cartels. The cartels are operating in our country. It is distributed mostly by two major cartels, the Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels. It is organized and managed by them. They use gangs, they us local dealers, these use illegals here, and they use "dreamers." But again this is all managed and organized by the cartels. Do a read on "operation last mile," as an example.

Here is a 2015 un classified DEA intelligence repot, and in the ten years since, given the fentanyl epidemic, it is much worse....

(U) Mexican transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) pose the greatest criminal drug threat to the United
States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. These Mexican poly-drug organizations traffic
heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and marijuana throughout the United States, using established transportation
routes and distribution networks. They control drug trafficking across the Southwest Border and are moving to
expand their share, particularly in the heroin and methamphetamine markets.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files ... r06515.pdf

If you read my earlier posts you would also have read it would take a lot of time, to replace and operate the Mexican cartels that are operating through out the country. From procurement, production, and distribution, and everything in between. In 2015 above, there was no group to challenge the cartels.



This will go a bit off topic, but think it will be worth it, I find it interesting. I to have been involved in prison ministries, government work programs where contractor use parolees in construction, with the state paying a large portion of their wage, and WC insurance....and I just know institutionalized men that were once close friends that have been in and out of prison their whole lives, whom I also grew up with.

Maybe we can find some time to get into this in depth. What is beyond amazingly telling, is that over 80% of men locked up, did not have a father or strong father figure in their lives, and of those men, 92% of those are fathers. This is one of the root problems in addiction for sure, aside from supply.

It is staggering to think about.

[Jersey Girl]

As a matter of fact I have been to a prison and dealt with the inmates. I spent four years at a university that was close to several prisons, and for a couple of those years I spent a couple of hours each week, during the semesters, playing board games and cards with inmates on sentences over ten years at a medium-security institution. Some of those guys were smart people.

Do you understand how sophisticated and ruthless American organised crime is? Your argument seems bizarrely naïve, Markk. You seem to imagine that sophisticated and ruthless organised crime only exists in other countries, and that American criminals are all drug-addled morons who would have to be organised from scratch and it would be terribly hard to do that because they are all so dumb that they'd just keep bumping into each other, falling down and spilling their fentanyl, and then just sitting there stunned. Why on earth would you think that?

As several people have been explaining, the actual importing of fentanyl into the US, and its distribution once there, is already mostly done by Americans.

You just added another element here that is not really so. The citizens bringing it across are mules, it is not theirs, it is the cartels. The cartels are operating in our country. It is distributed mostly by two major cartels, the Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels. It is organized and managed by them. They use gangs, they us local dealers, these use illegals here, and they use "dreamers." But again this is all managed and organized by the cartels. Do a read on "operation last mile," as an example.

Here is a 2015 un classified DEA intelligence repot, and in the ten years since, given the fentanyl epidemic, it is much worse....

(U) Mexican transnational criminal organizations (TCOs) pose the greatest criminal drug threat to the United
States; no other group is currently positioned to challenge them. These Mexican poly-drug organizations traffic
heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, and marijuana throughout the United States, using established transportation
routes and distribution networks. They control drug trafficking across the Southwest Border and are moving to
expand their share, particularly in the heroin and methamphetamine markets.

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files ... r06515.pdf

If you read my earlier posts you would also have read it would take a lot of time, to replace and operate the Mexican cartels that are operating through out the country. From procurement, production, and distribution, and everything in between. In 2015 above, there was no group to challenge the cartels.



This will go a bit off topic, but think it will be worth it, I find it interesting. I to have been involved in prison ministries, government work programs where contractor use parolees in construction, with the state paying a large portion of their wage, and WC insurance....and I just know institutionalized men that were once close friends that have been in and out of prison their whole lives, whom I also grew up with.

Maybe we can find some time to get into this in depth. What is beyond amazingly telling, is that over 80% of men locked up, did not have a father or strong father figure in their lives, and of those men, 92% of those are fathers. This is one of the root problems in addiction for sure, aside from supply.

It is staggering to think about.

Pop Quiz: Who's arming the drug cartels, Markk?

[Markk]

You just added another element here that is not really so. The citizens bringing it across are mules, it is not theirs, it is the cartels. The cartels are operating in our country. It is distributed mostly by two major cartels, the Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels. It is organized and managed by them. They use gangs, they us local dealers, these use illegals here, and they use "dreamers." But again this is all managed and organized by the cartels. Do a read on "operation last mile," as an example.

Here is a 2015 un classified DEA intelligence repot, and in the ten years since, given the fentanyl epidemic, it is much worse....

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files ... r06515.pdf

If you read my earlier posts you would also have read it would take a lot of time, to replace and operate the Mexican cartels that are operating through out the country. From procurement, production, and distribution, and everything in between. In 2015 above, there was no group to challenge the cartels.

This will go a bit off topic, but think it will be worth it, I find it interesting. I to have been involved in prison ministries, government work programs where contractor use parolees in construction, with the state paying a large portion of their wage, and WC insurance....and I just know institutionalized men that were once close friends that have been in and out of prison their whole lives, whom I also grew up with.

Maybe we can find some time to get into this in depth. What is beyond amazingly telling, is that over 80% of men locked up, did not have a father or strong father figure in their lives, and of those men, 92% of those are fathers. This is one of the root problems in addiction for sure, aside from supply.

It is staggering to think about.

Pop Quiz: Who's arming the drug cartels, Markk?

Most the guns are are probably coming from the US, over a lax border, funded by the cartel drug and trafficking enterprises. Which is another reason we need a strong border present and to stop and deport those who are here illegally that are managing this. When we find Americans doing this, we need to lock them up for a long time, whether they are suppliers or smugglers.

This is a problem, a huge one, and hopefully Trump will mitigate this. Putting more boots on the ground will help this, as will the 10k troops Mexico committed to the border a few weeks ago.

[Moksha]

This is a problem, a huge one, and hopefully Trump will mitigate this. Putting more boots on the ground will help this, as will the 10k troops Mexico committed to the border a few weeks ago.

Not doing anything will help galvanize this issue for Trump supporters.