SAT's (spirit assesment tests)

[dantana]

I remember being taught and I think it is reasonable that one's chances of correctly accepting the gospel in the afterlife are a result of actions in this life now. If so your safety is not improved by avoiding the gospel now.

That does, indeed, create something of a conundrum. We have billions of souls who have lived, and are living now, on this earth whose names will never be recorded nor any memory of their existence on this earth retained. These poor souls seem to have been predestined for eternity away from any of the three kingdoms because nobody could ever be baptized by proxy for them. Do you think that they might have been "less valiant" in their pre-existence such that their lives on earth are actually eternally vain and meaningless?

Reminds me a bit of high school basketball practice. Coach would give the guys a certain amount of time to complete the wind sprints. Those who didn't make it would have to go again. This time, and each subsequent, with less time allowed. Brilliant stagity coach. Ass**le.

So, yeah. Those who have a bad showing in the pre-world get a much needed sanctioning in the next. You get to be sent down and land with a group who think a Coke bottle that fell from heaven is a marvelous work and a wonder.

[huckelberry]

That does, indeed, create something of a conundrum. We have billions of souls who have lived, and are living now, on this earth whose names will never be recorded nor any memory of their existence on this earth retained. These poor souls seem to have been predestined for eternity away from any of the three kingdoms because nobody could ever be baptized by proxy for them. Do you think that they might have been "less valiant" in their pre-existence such that their lives on earth are actually eternally vain and meaningless?

Reminds me a bit of high school basketball practice. Coach would give the guys a certain amount of time to complete the wind sprints. Those who didn't make it would have to go again. This time, and each subsequent, with less time allowed. Brilliant stagity coach. Ass**le.

So, yeah. Those who have a bad showing in the pre-world get a much needed sanctioning in the next. You get to be sent down and land with a group who think a Coke bottle that fell from heaven is a marvelous work and a wonder.

Thinking of bbbb comment, I thought it was standard thinking that God knew all the names and will supply them for proper ordinances at the right time. I mean how could he possibly not know the names? (that might be asking how far from traditional ideas of God are you willing to take your King Follet thought)

dantana, I think that idea that crops up from Mormon leaders from time to time that people are born with advantages and disadvantages relative to preexistence worthiness is uglier than the racial ban thing.

[bbbbbbb]

Reminds me a bit of high school basketball practice. Coach would give the guys a certain amount of time to complete the wind sprints. Those who didn't make it would have to go again. This time, and each subsequent, with less time allowed. Brilliant stagity coach. Ass**le.

So, yeah. Those who have a bad showing in the pre-world get a much needed sanctioning in the next. You get to be sent down and land with a group who think a Coke bottle that fell from heaven is a marvelous work and a wonder.

Thinking of bbbb comment, I thought it was standard thinking that God knew all the names and will supply them for proper ordinances at the right time. I mean how could he possibly not know the names? (that might be asking how far from traditional ideas of God are you willing to take your King Follet thought)

dantana, I think that idea that crops up from Mormon leaders from time to time that people are born with advantages and disadvantages relative to preexistence worthiness is uglier than the racial ban thing.

I actually thought that I would get that response when I asked the question to a Mormon apologist online, but he firmly told me that the LDS do not do proxy baptisms for nameless individuals.

If they did, then there would be enough temple proxy baptism work to justify the construction of all the pending temples and more for eternity. However, it would be rather disconcerting for a faithful Mormon temple worker to discover, in the end, that none of those nameless individuals he/she had been baptized for had never even existed.

[huckelberry]

Thinking of bbbb comment, I thought it was standard thinking that God knew all the names and will supply them for proper ordinances at the right time. I mean how could he possibly not know the names? (that might be asking how far from traditional ideas of God are you willing to take your King Follet thought)

dantana, I think that idea that crops up from Mormon leaders from time to time that people are born with advantages and disadvantages relative to preexistence worthiness is uglier than the racial ban thing.

I actually thought that I would get that response when I asked the question to a Mormon apologist online, but he firmly told me that the LDS do not do proxy baptisms for nameless individuals.

If they did, then there would be enough temple proxy baptism work to justify the construction of all the pending temples and more for eternity. However, it would be rather disconcerting for a faithful Mormon temple worker to discover, in the end, that none of those nameless individuals he/she had been baptized for had never even existed.

I'm puzzled all human beings that have ever lived each have their own name.

[Physics Guy]

Did I ever tell you that Mrs. McCave
Had twenty-three sons and she named them all Dave?

[huckelberry]

Did I ever tell you that Mrs. McCave
Had twenty-three sons and she named them all Dave

Not to spoil the humor of this comment, but I was just trying to observe that there are no nameless people even if there are quite a few people who are named Dave Smith.

[yellowstone123]

That does, indeed, create something of a conundrum. We have billions of souls who have lived, and are living now, on this earth whose names will never be recorded nor any memory of their existence on this earth retained. These poor souls seem to have been predestined for eternity away from any of the three kingdoms because nobody could ever be baptized by proxy for them. Do you think that they might have been "less valiant" in their pre-existence such that their lives on earth are actually eternally vain and meaningless?

Reminds me a bit of high school basketball practice. Coach would give the guys a certain amount of time to complete the wind sprints. Those who didn't make it would have to go again. This time, and each subsequent, with less time allowed. Brilliant stagity coach. Ass**le.

So, yeah. Those who have a bad showing in the pre-world get a much needed sanctioning in the next. You get to be sent down and land with a group who think a Coke bottle that fell from heaven is a marvelous work and a wonder.

*in my mind*

If there is a pre existence, I think we were mislead.

We were told we were the most valiant to be saved for the latter days. After 63 years on this earth I would say that my friends that flew down with me were clearly more valiant. And as we broke up like little MIRVs: I went to Southern California, my best friend went to Nigeria and another to North Vietnam, but they clearly were the very best.

On our tenth birthday I had a birthday party in my peaceful environment. My friend from North Vietnam was having a party but died instantly when a bomb from a B 52, which was flown by a Mormon Stake President, struck her family hut.

Then on my 16th Birthday I got my driver’s license. My friend from Nigeria died of starvation.

They were and still are the best of the best.

We went all over the world into all types environments and agreed that in a hundred years we would return and report.

There were hundreds of us. Our bond? We all came to earth at the same time: we were born the same hour, the same minute on that beautiful September day in 1961.

[dantana]

*in my mind*

If there is a pre existence, I think we were mislead.

We were told we were the most valiant to be saved for the latter days. After 63 years on this earth I would say that my friends that flew down with me were clearly more valiant. And as we broke up like little MIRVs: I went to Southern California, my best friend went to Nigeria and another to North Vietnam, but they clearly were the very best.

On our tenth birthday I had a birthday party in my peaceful environment. My friend from North Vietnam was having a party but died instantly when a bomb from a B 52, which was flown by a Mormon Stake President, struck her family hut.

Then on my 16th Birthday I got my driver’s license. My friend from Nigeria died of starvation.

They were and still are the best of the best.

We went all over the world into all types environments and agreed that in a hundred years we would return and report.

There were hundreds of us. Our bond? We all came to earth at the same time: we were born the same hour, the same minute on that beautiful September day in 1961.

On my mission, at the MTC, circa 1980, a short video was played for the gang. It showed a small stream flowing through an irrigation canal. After about five minutes of watching water do water things a shovel was stuck into the ditch to divert a small amount of water to another ditch. About five more minutes of watching water it reached a puddle. The end. An important person then got up and explained that that diverted water was us, the latter day elites. Saved by god for the big finish, sure to happen any day now. (true story)

I hear J. Smith had originally made this same video. Only it wasn't a video. He just took everyone out into his backyard and did it by hand. He didn't put it down in the D&C because it's sacred/secret.

I'd say Huck summed it up perfectly: Mormon god voted for Trump.

[yellowstone123]

Thanks, Dantana.

I think I remember that film. Didn’t the Osmond's sing during the film?

[dantana]

Thanks, Dantana.

I think I remember that film. Didn’t the Osmond's sing during the film?

I don't remember that, but I only remember the film because no one understood it until it was explained. Kinda fun that you have that in your memory too.

See if you can recite this without singing -

This old doctrine's got me down
It's no earthly good to me
'Cause I'm stuck here on the ground
Those signs and tokens just aren't free

Now you can't jump a Mo-show plane
Without jettisoning your brain
So I best be on my way
From the early Mormon reign.

Does anyone know where the love of god goes
when the testimonies turn the minutes to hours
The searchers all said I would surely be dead
had I put forty more years behind her.

In a musty old hall in Salt City they prayed
in the shed of the mostly useless waters
The church bell chimed till it rang twenty to forty times
for the women the wives and their daughters

The legend lives on from the Lamanites on down
Of the big guy they call Joseph junior
The story it's said, god turned all of them red
turning delight-some was all just a rumor.