You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:35 am
The concern I've had for a long time now is the problem with getting rid of all the gods.
Without Buddha, Yahweh, Joseph Smith, Elohim, Manitou, Krishna, Laozi, and Confucius, how would you account for the Plan® coming into existence without this Council of Gods?!!!
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:35 am
Gadianton wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:17 am
That's certainly the way a stage 2 mythic literalist would see it, "by golly get rid of everyone else's God and keep only mine! The one true God!"
The concern I've had for a long time now is the problem with getting rid of all the gods. Obviously if you get rid of them all you may be throwing out the one true God out with the bathwater, so to speak.

...

Regards,
MG
What if all the monotheistic "gods" are all the same God, just a different perspective with different experiences creating the picture? Like looking at different sides of the same object, the picture can be very different. We can't see the full story. Just a thought. I'm sure that's probably oversimplified.
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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IWMP wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:04 pm

What if all the monotheistic "gods" are all the same God, just a different perspective with different experiences creating the picture? Like looking at different sides of the same object, the picture can be very different. We can't see the full story. Just a thought. I'm sure that's probably oversimplified.

Pirate, since we're what-if-ing, why just the monotheistic gods? Why not have all the polytheistic gods, or even no gods at all, be the same god?


Or we could be Joan Osborne.

https://youtu.be/aDdOnl0bHO4?si=TOJfb0U-9Rt8b7YY


If God had a name what would it be?
And would you call it to his face?
If you were faced with Him in all His glory
What would you ask if you had just one question?

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

If God had a face what would it look like?
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in Jesus and the Saints
And all the prophets?

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

Just tryin' to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe in Rome

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

Just tryin' to make his way home
Like a holy rolling stone?
Back up to heaven all alone
Just tryin' to make his way home

Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope maybe in Rome

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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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Morley wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 4:53 pm
IWMP wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:04 pm

What if all the monotheistic "gods" are all the same God, just a different perspective with different experiences creating the picture? Like looking at different sides of the same object, the picture can be very different. We can't see the full story. Just a thought. I'm sure that's probably oversimplified.

Pirate, since we're what-if-ing, why just the monotheistic gods? Why not have all the polytheistic gods, or even no gods at all, be the same god?


Or we could be Joan Osborne.

https://youtu.be/aDdOnl0bHO4?si=TOJfb0U-9Rt8b7YY


If God had a name what would it be?
And would you call it to his face?
If you were faced with Him in all His glory
What would you ask if you had just one question?

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

If God had a face what would it look like?
And would you want to see
If seeing meant that you would have to believe
In things like heaven and in Jesus and the Saints
And all the prophets?

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

Just tryin' to make his way home
Back up to heaven all alone
Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope, maybe in Rome

And yeah, yeah, God is great
Yeah, yeah, God is good
Yeah, yeah, yeah-yeah-yeah

What if God was one of us?
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Tryin' to make his way home?

Just tryin' to make his way home
Like a holy rolling stone?
Back up to heaven all alone
Just tryin' to make his way home

Nobody callin' on the phone
'Cept for the Pope maybe in Rome
I went with monotheist because I visualise Islamic god to be the same god and the Christian god. I think if we discuss no god being the same god, it kind of becomes more philosophical and you'd have to look at the definitions of what god means. You can't say the atheist god is the same as the Christian god because atheists don't visualise a god of any sort, (according to my understanding).

I don't know enough about polytheism to put that question out there.
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:35 am
...The problem I've seen with the critics is the almost cavalier way they approach this. Yep, been there done that they say...
You're getting your stories mixed up again, as that's what YOU started this thread with.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:21 am
...I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why? ;) I'd like to see something new or interesting to comment on but, alas, that doesn't seem to be a possibility. Why join in on a thread if it's just a rehash of a rehash?
You do this regularly, as though you're here just to criticize but you can't keep track of your accusations. You use a tactic, then forget and accuse others of the same tactic. Maybe use a pencil and pad when you post. You can list your made up accusations and it will help you remember to use different tactics in the next post.
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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malkie wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:50 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Mon Mar 10, 2025 11:03 pm


You know that's not what I meant. You've got to be more astute than that, malkie.

Regards,
MG
Never let it be said that MG lacks a sense of humour. Or of the ridiculous. Or of the idea of playing with language to see where it takes us. Or of reductio ad absurdum. Or ...
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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Marcus wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 5:53 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:35 am
...The problem I've seen with the critics is the almost cavalier way they approach this. Yep, been there done that they say...
You're getting your stories mixed up again, as that's what YOU started this thread with.
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:21 am
...I was going to hop in and add my two cents on a thread or two, but then I thought...why? ;) I'd like to see something new or interesting to comment on but, alas, that doesn't seem to be a possibility. Why join in on a thread if it's just a rehash of a rehash?
You do this regularly, as though you're here just to criticize but you can't keep track of your accusations. You use a tactic, then forget and accuse others of the same tactic. Maybe use a pencil and pad when you post. You can list your made up accusations and it will help you remember to use different tactics in the next post.
It’s like being caught out in bad behaviour is a prompt for him to accuse others of that bad behaviour even though they haven’t done it. Or in other words, Trolling 101.
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 7:36 am
I thought this was interesting…
A 2014 study found that people with higher levels of sadism, psychopathy and Machiavellianism were more likely to engage in online trolling behaviour, with sadism being the strongest predictor.
And this
The Dark Tetrad, also known as the Dark Quad, is a set of interrelated negative personality features: narcissism, psychopathy, Machiavellianism, and sadism.
It’s an interesting insight.

It explains how someone can preach “Step outside and breathe.<snip>. Serve a neighbor. Take a drive. Read a good book. Have a real life conversation. Get off the dang keyboard!” whilst practicing the opposite.

I would normally fear for the spouse of someone with a Dark Tetrad Personality, and maybe we should in this specific case...but hopefully our resident DTP comes here to try and exert his macho and his spouse is spared the game playing. It's quite sad really, when you think about it. I'm guessing he's relatively puny in real life and feels insignificant - passed over for serious Church callings, feels he didn't amount to what he deserved to in his career, etc. He comes here to try and boost his own ego by putting others down. That's certainly been the pattern for 25 years. That he's here so often suggests it's not working. Actually, that’s a bit unfair, his complex personality disorder means, to all intents and purposes, he simply cannot help himself.
Projection? Absent the church callings of course. What do you call it when you come to this board to put the church down? Is that healthy?

We know very little about you, IHAQ. What kind of person are you? Are you a loner? What do you do with your time when you're not on the computer? What do you do to serve others? Are you happily married? Do your children love and respect you? Do you have grandchildren that you spend time with often? Are you involved in community service? Do you take care of yourself physically and exercise regularly? Can you be trusted around children? If yes, how do we know that to be true? What is your belief system? How does it work for you? Would you recommend it to others? Why?

Who are you? What makes YOU tick?

Regards,
MG
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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Moksha wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 8:24 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 2:35 am
The concern I've had for a long time now is the problem with getting rid of all the gods.
Without Buddha, Yahweh, Joseph Smith, Elohim, Manitou, Krishna, Laozi, and Confucius, how would you account for the Plan® coming into existence without this Council of Gods?!!!
My comment had to do with, as I previously said and you didn't mention, whether there is a danger in throwing all the gods out when there may be the 'one true God'. Throwing the baby out with the bathwater essentially.

In today's world with the influence of the internet I think that happens all too often. People think too fast without slowing down, exercising patience, and taking time to cool their jets. Too quick to judge in matters that may have eternal significance.

Regards,
MG
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Re: You guys are still at it! (why am I not surprised?)

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Mar 12, 2025 6:03 pm

It’s like being caught out in bad behaviour is a prompt for him to accuse others of that bad behaviour even though they haven’t done it. Or in other words, Trolling 101.
Word salad. Blue cheese dressing anyone?

Regards,
MG
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