Gadianton, I haven't seen suits white shirts and ties in church on Sunday in 50 years it's gone out of style.
Maybe it's the location. Every male in my southwestern family who is still LDS still wears a suit and tie to every church event I've been to or seen pictures of, even the young ones. Non-white shirts peek through in very muted pastels. The women and girls all wear dresses. Always.
At my family's catholic parish here on the East coast, people dress nicely for the weekend, but they would really be astonished if I told them how my western LDS relatives dress every single Sunday. Especially my female friends, who would be shocked that women wearing pants is considered controversial. Maybe things have changed in some areas, but I haven't seen it.
So, as I started out, maybe it's the location, but I wouldn't count out the isolated nature of cult conditioning. That still seems to carry a fair amount of weight.
Marcus, l have not attended LDS Sunday service for decades. l certainly imagine white shirts and ties are still very much the norm, with suit jackets. Speaking of the custom being more casual attire, I was thinking of other groups. Perhaps some conservative group still hold white shirts but that seems a bit fringe.
I was pointing out Peterson spoke of people in casual attire. He did not insult with words like slob or shabby. I think he realized people were dressed as was customary for them which set up the mildly comic picture of his own appearance (flashing neon copies of the Book of Mormon).
Maybe it's the location. Every male in my southwestern family who is still LDS still wears a suit and tie to every church event I've been to or seen pictures of, even the young ones. Non-white shirts peek through in very muted pastels. The women and girls all wear dresses. Always.
At my family's catholic parish here on the East coast, people dress nicely for the weekend, but they would really be astonished if I told them how my western LDS relatives dress every single Sunday. Especially my female friends, who would be shocked that women wearing pants is considered controversial. Maybe things have changed in some areas, but I haven't seen it.
So, as I started out, maybe it's the location, but I wouldn't count out the isolated nature of cult conditioning. That still seems to carry a fair amount of weight.
Marcus, l have not attended LDS Sunday service for decades. l certainly imagine white shirts and ties are still very much the norm, with suit jackets. Speaking of the custom being more casual attire, I was thinking of other groups. Perhaps some conservative group still hold white shirts but that seems a bit fringe.
I was pointing out Peterson spoke of people in casual attire. He did not insult with words like slob or shabby. I think he realized people were dressed as was customary for them which set up the mildly comic picture of his own appearance (flashing neon copies of the Book of Mormon).
You make a very interesting point, Huckelberry. One has to wonder: did the Mopologists initially assume that they’d be “incognito”? I mean, for my part, I am wondering why they thought that this would be a good way to spend a Sunday evening. The Mopologists have a long and sordid history of picking fights with EVs….so why go to a screening of an anti-Mormon film at an EV venue, dressed in obviously (“superior”) LDS garb?
Prof. P. depicts the whole thing as innocent: gee, all they wanted to do was watch this anti-Mormon film! Except…of course….the obvious.
Like I said: this seems like it would fit neatly into the “Hitchens File.”
"If, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
In the end, what really matters is whether we surrender our lives to Christ. It is our pride that gets in our way.
"Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy” Jude 1:24
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You make a very interesting point, Huckelberry. One has to wonder: did the Mopologists initially assume that they’d be “incognito”? I mean, for my part, I am wondering why they thought that this would be a good way to spend a Sunday evening. The Mopologists have a long and sordid history of picking fights with EVs….so why go to a screening of an anti-Mormon film at an EV venue, dressed in obviously (“superior”) LDS garb?
Prof. P. depicts the whole thing as innocent: gee, all they wanted to do was watch this anti-Mormon film! Except…of course….the obvious.
Like I said: this seems like it would fit neatly into the “Hitchens File.”
Midgley likes to pick fights.
Dear Sandra:
I must admit that I was astonished when, on June 19th, your husband showed up and tossed me (and my friend) from your bookstore. If I said or did something that offended you, of course I apologize. But I am at a loss to figure out what I might have said to you that warranted our being tossed out of your bookstore--I thought that we were having a thoroughly civil conversation. As in each of my previous conversations with you, both on the phone and in your shop, I thought that we had been able to communicate and even disagree without being disagreeable. I do not recall either feeling or expressing hostility towards you in any of our conversations. In the past the issue that seemed to agitate you the most was my probing concerning the likelihood that George D. Smith's has financially assisted Utah Lighthouse Ministry. But even that portion of our previous conversations was entirely civil.
I don't feel like wagging my finger at any of these people. This evangelical church was showing some kind of film criticising Mormonism from their perspective, and two Mormon apologists showed up in uniform. I'm sure both parties were delighted. They were all consenting adults, and what happened was only what both sides hoped would happen.
Annie Lennox and Dave Stewart wrote:Sweet dreams are made of this. Who am I to disagree?
Good question. What was the “anti Mormon” film? Was it actually an anti Mormon film or was it a documentary about Mayan history? How did they know about the event, MidGely stalking the Protestants? Why did these two grown adult men with families choose a silly prank over spending time with their families on the Sabbath?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
Gadianton, I haven't seen suits white shirts and ties in church on Sunday in 50 years it's gone out of style.
Maybe it's the location. Every male in my southwestern family who is still LDS still wears a suit and tie to every church event I've been to or seen pictures of, even the young ones. Non-white shirts peek through in very muted pastels. The women and girls all wear dresses. Always.
At my family's catholic parish here on the East coast, people dress nicely for the weekend, but they would really be astonished if I told them how my western LDS relatives dress every single Sunday. Especially my female friends, who would be shocked that women wearing pants is considered controversial. Maybe things have changed in some areas, but I haven't seen it.
So, as I started out, maybe it's the location, but I wouldn't count out the isolated nature of cult conditioning. That still seems to carry a fair amount of weight.
I saw a family at the minster who where so smartly dressed I wondered if they were Mormons visiting. Turned out they just like to dress smart on Sunday. Not many churches around here have people dressing smart. There is one church we see its members on the way who all dress immaculately a lot in traditional African clothing.
