The Church falls on its face with latest essay about women in the Church

[Marcus]

Speaking of PR and why the essay was written, I ran across this, from reddit:

During the Worldwide Relief Society Devotional and Testimony Meeting on March 17, 2024, President Russell M. Nelson and the Relief Society General Presidency spoke to the members of the Relief Society and Young Women. The remarkable part is the claim J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency made and the volatile response it has received.

“There is no other religious organization in the world, that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women.” – J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency, 2024

She stipulates that she is only considering religious organizations that she knows of. Does she know that there are other churches in the world? Apparently, she does, because she continues to state that “there are religions that ordain some women to positions such as priests and pastors!” However, she retorts that the amount of ordained women are “very few” in comparison to the women in the congregations.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1blgkw7

Compared to the three non-ordained LDS women doing the majority of the 'leadership'?

Not only is her statement quoted in blue blatantly untrue, but the sentence I bolded at the end shows how correlation apparently failed.

[MG 2.0]

Speaking of PR and why the essay was written, I ran across this, from reddit:

During the Worldwide Relief Society Devotional and Testimony Meeting on March 17, 2024, President Russell M. Nelson and the Relief Society General Presidency spoke to the members of the Relief Society and Young Women. The remarkable part is the claim J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency made and the volatile response it has received.

“There is no other religious organization in the world, that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women.” – J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency, 2024

She stipulates that she is only considering religious organizations that she knows of. Does she know that there are other churches in the world? Apparently, she does, because she continues to state that “there are religions that ordain some women to positions such as priests and pastors!” However, she retorts that the amount of ordained women are “very few” in comparison to the women in the congregations.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1blgkw7

Compared to the three non-ordained LDS women doing the majority of the 'leadership'?

Not only is her statement quoted in blue blatantly untrue, but the sentence I bolded at the end shows how correlation apparently failed.

Her statement on its face is true.

The LDS Church has established organizations like the Relief Society and Young Women programs, which provide leadership opportunities for women at both local and general levels. For example, the Relief Society General Presidency oversees worldwide efforts to support women spiritually and socially.

Global Reach of Women's Leadership:

Women in the LDS Church serve in leadership roles that influence millions globally, such as presidencies for Relief Society, Young Women, and Primary organizations. These presidencies provide counsel and instruction to local leaders, demonstrating a structured system of female leadership.

Focus on Ministering and Service:

Female members are entrusted with significant responsibilities in ministering efforts, teaching gospel principles, and organizing service initiatives. This emphasis aligns with spiritual empowerment.

Perplexity A.I.

The women of the church are possibly closest to where the rubber meets the road in actual service mirroring the works that Jesus performed while He was on the earth. Jesus performed mighty works but one might surmise that the women around him, by walking in his footsteps, performed mighty works in the edification (increasing faith) of hearts and minds.

Notice, for whatever its worth, Jesus was a man.

We need to remember, you are looking at things from a different perspective than the women in the church who actually have testimonies. That means that your perspective may be incorrect and/or that it really doesn't matter as you are outside the church being one of its critics. I would place more importance on the testimonies of women in the church that have faith in Christ and his church than I would in the perspective/words of an avowed critic.

Not that you don't have the complete freedom to complain and bitch all you want on this board!

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Speaking of PR and why the essay was written, I ran across this, from reddit:

During the Worldwide Relief Society Devotional and Testimony Meeting on March 17, 2024, President Russell M. Nelson and the Relief Society General Presidency spoke to the members of the Relief Society and Young Women. The remarkable part is the claim J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency made and the volatile response it has received.

“There is no other religious organization in the world, that I know of, that has so broadly given power and authority to women.” – J. Anette Dennis, First Counselor in the Relief Society General Presidency, 2024

She stipulates that she is only considering religious organizations that she knows of. Does she know that there are other churches in the world? Apparently, she does, because she continues to state that “there are religions that ordain some women to positions such as priests and pastors!” However, she retorts that the amount of ordained women are “very few” in comparison to the women in the congregations.

https://www.reddit.com/gallery/1blgkw7

Compared to the three non-ordained LDS women doing the majority of the 'leadership'?

Not only is her statement quoted in blue blatantly untrue, but the sentence I bolded at the end shows how correlation apparently failed.

A little more from that link:

She references a talk from Apostle, Dallin H. Oaks that at first honestly states that “we are not accustomed to speaking of women having the authority of the priesthood.” This much is true, we are not, as a Mormon people, accustomed to speaking of women having the authority or the priesthood. That is because women having the priesthood is forbidden by the church. They are twisting words and redefining words on the fly to make the church of today more palatable.

Lol. "redefining words on the fly" is the mopologists' mantra.

[MG 2.0]

Speaking of PR and why the essay was written, I ran across this, from reddit:

Compared to the three non-ordained LDS women doing the majority of the 'leadership'?

Not only is her statement quoted in blue blatantly untrue, but the sentence I bolded at the end shows how correlation apparently failed.

A little more from that link:

She references a talk from Apostle, Dallin H. Oaks that at first honestly states that “we are not accustomed to speaking of women having the authority of the priesthood.” This much is true, we are not, as a Mormon people, accustomed to speaking of women having the authority or the priesthood. That is because women having the priesthood is forbidden by the church. They are twisting words and redefining words on the fly to make the church of today more palatable.

Lol. "redefining words on the fly" is the mopologists' mantra.

The weakness in this statement lies in its heavy reliance on interpretation and assumption without providing concrete evidence or context to support the critique. For example:

Interpretation of Oaks's words: While Oaks's acknowledgment that "we are not accustomed to speaking of women having the authority of the priesthood" may be accurate historically, the critique assumes that this automatically equates to "twisting words" or redefining them to modernize the Church. This claim would benefit from specific examples of how the Church has redefined its teachings or practices.

Assertion about prohibition: The statement that "women having the priesthood is forbidden by the church" oversimplifies the LDS doctrine on priesthood and its roles. It does not engage with the broader context or nuances of the Church's teachings regarding women's involvement and authority in non-priesthood capacities.

Generalization about motives: The claim that the Church is making itself "more palatable" could be seen as speculative. While organizations often adapt their language to address contemporary audiences, attributing motives without substantiated evidence weakens the argument.

A stronger critique would delve deeper into specific actions, statements, or policies that illustrate the alleged redefinition or reframing, providing a more comprehensive analysis of the Church's approach to women and the priesthood.
Copilot A.I.

You're going to have to flesh things out a bit more. One sentence 'soundbites' don't do justice. Due diligence on your part might be an option.

Regards,
MG

[Moksha]

It's not all or nothing.

Regards
MG

That sounds a bit like the Mormon teaching that Jesus rode in to visit the Nephites pulled on a steel chariot by Easter Bunnies. Hope they do a papier-mache recreation of this scene in the church lobby on April 20th. Especially fun when they give out chocolate eggs to commenmorate this event.

[MG 2.0]

It's not all or nothing.

Regards
MG

That sounds a bit like the Mormon teaching that Jesus rode in to visit the Nephites pulled on a steel chariot by Easter Bunnies. Hope they do a papier-mache recreation of this scene in the church lobby on April 20th. Especially fun when they give out chocolate eggs to commenmorate this event.

OK??

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Back to the topic, and the reddit thread discussing Dennis' talk:

The gaslighting arrogance of Sister Dennis' statement and even the phrasing is eerily reminiscent to a similar statement from Brigham Young. He states, “with confidence, that there is no people on the face of this earth that pay more respect to females than do this people.” He even states, with a similar stipulation as Sister Dennis, that he “know(s] of no community where females enjoy the priveledges they do here.”

https://wasmormon.org/church-leaders-on ... -to-women/

[Moksha]

OK??

Regards,
MG

Good!

What about making the Mormon Cricket the official State insect of Utah? Sure, I know it is actually a Katydid, but what if we say it is a relative truth? Do you think Marcus will hop on that one?

[I Have Questions]

The women's positions are all defined as 'part-time callings', the men's positions are all full-time paid.

This really drives the point home. Shameful.

It really does. It shows the Mormon Equality lie for what it is.

[I Have Questions]

Back to the topic, and the reddit thread discussing Dennis' talk:

The gaslighting arrogance of Sister Dennis' statement and even the phrasing is eerily reminiscent to a similar statement from Brigham Young. He states, “with confidence, that there is no people on the face of this earth that pay more respect to females than do this people.” He even states, with a similar stipulation as Sister Dennis, that he “know(s] of no community where females enjoy the priveledges they do here.”

https://wasmormon.org/church-leaders-on ... -to-women/

all women 18 years and older in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who choose a covenant relationship with God in the house of the Lord are endowed with priesthood power directly from God. And as we serve in whatever calling or assignment, including ministering assignments, we are given priesthood authority to carry out those responsibilities.

In other words, a man lets us do some stuff so long as he oversees it.