Trump is not a fascist

[Dr. Shades]

Umm, yeah. That's, uh, the way it's always been. Why are you so surprised all of a sudden?

Welcome to America, Jersey Girl.

Surprised? Because I just discovered it shortly before I posted about it. I don't claim to know everything about everything. I'm learning. Stop acting like an obnoxious know it all, Shades. It contributes exactly nothing to no one.

I'm not talking about the Kilmer Abrego-Garcia case in isolation. I'm talking about how, throughout its entire history, the American taxpayer has always paid for its country's miscarriages of justice.

[Markk]

How should we treat the heartless murdering criminals that sexually exploit young girls and women, murder, kidnap, and rape folks?

Imagine if a youth started out in a gang, became wise to that behavior, and tried to escape membership by exiting to the US?

I guess that you’d just look at any tattoos left behind as being what would decide his fate, due process be damned.

We can imagine all sorts of things, like the grief of the families of those that have lost their loved ones to the animals these gang members are. Like cracking the head of a mother of five like you crack an egg. This is a mess that other presidents ignored and or in the case of folks like you allowed to happen. Say what you will about Trump, he is the one that is trying to clean up the mess that you are supporting. Like always you bitch and moan about Trump's policies and you can't objectively elaborate on, or explain any plan, let alone a better plan, by those you support.

Biden and Harris only made the mess that Trump is dealing with, rather effectively, worse and out of control.

Garcia is a wife beater, a MS-13 gang member, and has no respect for our country and per our laws, right or wrong, has gotten his justice. II explained that due process has clauses, and Trump wisely is taking advantage of one of them to clean up the mess that past administrations created and which you apparently support.

Your example here is just super ignorant. MS-13 and the 18th street gang, began here is the US, in Los Angeles, by the children of legal and illegal immigrants that came here looking for a better life, and then they took it back to El Salvador. MS-13 and 18th street is a home grown mess, that has gotten out of control and again whether you agree with Trump or not, he is the only president in my life time that is actually dealing with the issue. Know the history at least.

So this is the part of the conversation, where after you have been fed enough rope, to elaborate on the lefts plan, and your plan to deal with gangs like MS-13, 18th street, and foreign born gangs Tren de Aragua that are in reality criminal enterprises across our country. What is the alternate plan? Shades has graciously given us a great platform with exhaustive bandwidth for you to explain this.

[Morley]

II explained that due process has clauses, and Trump wisely is taking advantage of one of them to clean up the mess that past administrations created and which you apparently support.

This is only about due process. It's not about allegations of domestic abuse or gang membership that haven't been substantiated outside of due process. Without due process, anything can be alleged and then acted upon.

What are these due process clauses that Trump has 'wisely' taken advantage of? I must have missed them. Are the courts aware of them? Do the courts--who in our system are the arbitrators of such claims--agree with them?

[Kishkumen]

Ikner was just draughting on the terror of the Trump administration, which shows just as little regard for humanity as he did when he shot up FSU.

What do you mean by "draughting" in this context?

It is an alternative spelling for “drafting.” In car racing, it is when one car comes up close behind another to reduce drag in order to gain speed. I am not a huge NASCAR fan, so my deployment of the term was less than perfect. LOL!!!

[canpakes]

Imagine if a youth started out in a gang, became wise to that behavior, and tried to escape membership by exiting to the US?

I guess that you’d just look at any tattoos left behind as being what would decide his fate, due process be damned.

We can imagine all sorts of things, like the grief of the families of those that have lost their loved ones to the animals these gang members are. Like cracking the head of a mother of five like you crack an egg.

Sounds like a good reason to utilize our justice system. Due process for all, including accountability to the victims, right?

This is a mess that other presidents ignored …

In fact, the libertarian CATO Institute determined that Biden’s immigration enforcement focused on and moved more of the hardened criminal element of the immigrant population, as compared to Trump, whose Administration’s focus was deemed less effective. Do you need for me to post that link again, so that you can ignore it and pretend that it doesn’t exist?

Maybe you should yield to the reality of those facts instead of trying to make up your own, especially given that the docs you’ve posted show that Garcia was first picked up in that parking lot in 2019. Remind yourself who was running the show then.

… and or in the case of folks like you allowed to happen.

And here’s where you just blurt shyte out that makes no sense. I don’t see how you or I personally had a say in it, except that you apparently voted for the guy who was less effective at criminal deportations, and who didn’t do anything with the fellow that you’re complaining about now.

Say what you will about Trump, he is the one that is trying to clean up the mess that you are supporting.

I support due process. You support a convicted felon whose immigration enforcement focus was deemed less effective than his successor. I’ll take my position over yours any day.

Like always you bitch and moan about Trump's policies and you can't objectively elaborate on, or explain any plan, let alone a better plan, by those you support.

Markk, please. : D Trump himself, and his Administration, can’t even figure out or explain what the hell they’re doing on any given day. Neither can you; you’re sitting there trying to defend the abandonment of due process. What does the Constitution even mean to you, at this point? Whatever Trump wants it to mean that he thinks will get him re-elected a third time?

You might need to find yourself and what you stand for, before presuming that those of us who prefer to follow our Constitution are your problem.

[Markk]

Cakes: Sounds like a good reason to utilize our justice system. Due process for all, including accountability to the victims, right?

You have no idea what the history is of the murder and rape of Rachel Morin, by that statement.

What are the clauses, laws and acts, that limit or change the standard Due Process Rights in the amendment? The MS-13 animal that killed this mother of 5, should not of been here, period. Our system failed her.

Victor Martinez-Hernandez came to the US and was deported 3 times, and then came back and brutally raped and murdered Rachel. The US Code 1325-1326, and title 42.... should have been adhered to, and he should have been in prison.

[Markk]

II explained that due process has clauses, and Trump wisely is taking advantage of one of them to clean up the mess that past administrations created and which you apparently support.

This is only about due process. It's not about allegations of domestic abuse or gang membership that haven't been substantiated outside of due process. Without due process, anything can be alleged and then acted upon.

What are these due process clauses that Trump has 'wisely' taken advantage of? I must have missed them. Are the courts aware of them? Do the courts--who in our system are the arbitrators of such claims--agree with them?

I appreciate that, and your clarity here, thanks. Trump, by executive privilege and the constitution, Invoked the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). Which in short in regard to this specific question reads....

" Sec. 3. I direct that all Alien Enemies described in section 1 of this proclamation are subject to immediate apprehension, detention, and removal, and further that they shall not be permitted residence in the United States.

Full context here...https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... de-aragua/

This is being debated and in the end will go before the the Supreme Court for a concrete decision, which Trump wants, I think, in that it is a right leaning court majority. Currently it is ambiguous and unclear. This is going on real time, and my understanding, and I'll listen to any options you have, is that the the Supreme Court is cryptic in their decisions on this, understandably, because it is moving fast and they want more information from the lower courts and the government.

Keep in mind what is critical here is that Trump named many gangs foreign terrorist organizations.

We are suppose to know more later in the week.

Where I differ is that I believe that we should not tolerate, or even entertain people that are here illegally, that beat their wives or any person, that are gang members, or commit crimes. Hopefully in my opinion, we will get a clear decision that will settle this. I believe we can deal with this quickly and decisively with amendments to the US code, such as in 1325 and 1326.

People always slip through the system, whether criminally or civilly....so I don't put much weight on that argument. prisons are full of people that have been screwed, who receive due process. We, in my opinion, have the ability to separate citizens, from those who enter here illegally.

Thanks

[¥akaSteelhead]

Markk, have you read the AEA?
Has Congress declared war?
Have we been invaded by a foreign government?

Recent report from national security folks say TDa is not affiliated with government of Venezuela.

AEA has specific language.
the Supreme Court ruled 9-0 each of these individual cases needs a process.

We are not just deporting these people we are imprisoning them. AEA then is subordinate to the 5th amendment re deprivation of liberty.

[canpakes]

Sounds like a good reason to utilize our justice system. Due process for all, including accountability to the victims, right?

You have no idea what the history is of the murder and rape of Rachel Morin, by that statement.

I see that now you’re just going to talk about someone completely different. I can only guess that this is the case because you’re having a very difficult time attending to the actual subject.

Markk, about 20,000 people died by murder/mansalughter last year, the vast majority of whom were killed by US citizens. Will you be devoting any time to those cases, or are you only interested in extinguishing the civil rights of Americans because of your fixation on immigrants?

All murders matter, right?

[Markk]

Cakes: I see that now you’re just going to talk about someone completely different. I can only guess that this is the case because you’re having a very difficult time attending to the actual subject.

No Rachel had her head smashed with rock, how am I talking about someone different? Go back and read what I wrote.