Did Stargate SG1 steal the idea from the Church, or did the show producers discover the same idea independently?
You just have to look at the Adamite TBMs and observe their glowing eyes and attenuated base voices to realize they differ from us, Pre-Adamites. Modern Humans have been around for 250,000 to 300,000 years compared to the Adamites, who have only been here for the last 6,000 years and originated in the Kolobian Star System.
When the Adamites arrived at Adam-ondi-Ahman, the first thing they said to the Pre-Adamites was, "We come in peace," and the second thing was, "Hey buddy, where can we find some fig leaves?"
By the way, the Facsimilies in the Book of Abraham list 15 Stargate portals.
I do not have sure knowledge of how resurrection works but I do have a couple of speculations about what's been asked.
First, I doubt that all flatworms have individuated Spirits. In fact, their spirits could be quite generalized so that one flat worm would represent all that have lived. That could be true of quite a few creatures that have lived in the past maybe even some like Hound of Heaven. Second, I can imagine that there are lots and lots of planets that could be inhabited. It just seems silly to try to imagine that everything resurrected has to be piled into one planet.
With my speculation I'm really left with only one thought that I have any commitment to and that is that I'm sure that the atonement has absolutely nothing to do with the lives of flat worms.
I do not have sure knowledge of how resurrection works but I do have a couple of speculations about what's been asked.
First, I doubt that all flatworms have individuated Spirits. In fact, their spirits could be quite generalized so that one flat worm would represent all that have lived. That could be true of quite a few creatures that have lived in the past maybe even some like Hound of Heaven. Second, I can imagine that there are lots and lots of planets that could be inhabited. It just seems silly to try to imagine that everything resurrected has to be piled into one planet.
With my speculation I'm really left with only one thought that I have any commitment to and that is that I'm sure that the atonement has absolutely nothing to do with the lives of flat worms.
From my quick research it seems most non Mormon Christians avoid this problem by declaring that only humans have souls and that the rest of the animal kingdom are essentially a form of soulless robotic chattel.
Mormonism opens the door to the possibility of flatworm salvation by declaring animals experience salvation, and not defining any limits.
It’s easy to see a primate’s love for their offspring, which makes it difficult to imagine the standard Christian view that it’s just a fake synthetic love. It’s difficult to understand the Mormon position of Jesus dying for a stegosaurus family in 300 million BC.
My point with all of this being that the entire idea of Christian salvation becomes silly when you take it to its logical conclusion. That God or Jesus have to find a planet suitable for said stegosaurus to live out his perfected stegosaurus life is just silly. Same for the pigeon on the roof of your home.
Drumdude, I am not familiar with the idea that aprimate family love is fake love. I do not think so. With millions of Christians there is room for people to speculate or imagine all sorts of things. When I heard an odd version I ask if it is required consequence of Christian basics or does it fit known evidence.
I am having difficulty seeing your question as connected to Christian basics, a logical follow up to the idea of salvation. It may be a bit of a snipe hunt. Or it has started pointing out that some speculation by past LDS leaders was probably using prescientific ideas of the extent of past life on this planet.
I think the Atonement is related to the human calling to be images of God and the human failure to be that. It is the path to correcting that failure.
### **5. It violates the spirit of honest inquiry**
Religious forums often thrive on open, vulnerable dialogue. Using A.I. covertly—especially edited to push a certain angle—can feel like someone gaming the conversation rather than participating in it genuinely.
That very last point stands out like a klaxon in a library.
Meh...I posted earlier that there had been times I simply forgot to put the prompt. The prompt and the answer are not the same cut and paste. Get in a hurry, and there you go. Since it was brought up, I've put the prompt. Unfortunately, I forgot to do it another time. When asked to do so I went back and found the prompt and promptly put it up.
Ever heard me say on this board that there are some folks that like to make mountains out of molehills?
Psychologically driven. Gotta' feed that superiority complex.
I do not have sure knowledge of how resurrection works but I do have a couple of speculations about what's been asked.
First, I doubt that all flatworms have individuated Spirits. In fact, their spirits could be quite generalized so that one flat worm would represent all that have lived. That could be true of quite a few creatures that have lived in the past maybe even some like Hound of Heaven. Second, I can imagine that there are lots and lots of planets that could be inhabited. It just seems silly to try to imagine that everything resurrected has to be piled into one planet.
With my speculation I'm really left with only one thought that I have any commitment to and that is that I'm sure that the atonement has absolutely nothing to do with the lives of flat worms.
Drumdude, I am not familiar with the idea that aprimate family love is fake love. I do not think so. With millions of Christians there is room for people to speculate or imagine all sorts of things. When I heard an odd version I ask if it is required consequence of Christian basics or does it fit known evidence.
I am having difficulty seeing your question as connected to Christian basics, a logical follow up to the idea of salvation. It may be a bit of a snipe hunt. Or it is as started pointing out that some speculation by past LDS leaders was probably using prescientific ideas of the extent of past life on this planet.
I think the Atonement is related to the human calling to be images of God and the human failure to be that. It is the path to correcting that failure.
I think the difference is that when you view humans as part of the animal kingdom, as simply another evolved creature, the idea that we need atonement to appease a God starts to look a lot like the idea that we need to sacrifice animals or virgins to appease a God. Outdated, unnecessary, and simply wrong.
A lot of apologists, DCP is a great example, accept evolution but want to shy away from those implications. So they turn to love and say we can’t just be “molecules in motion.” If that is true, then neither can animals. Whatever applies to man must also apply to a large number of non human animals unless you’re making a special exception for humanity based on the prior primitive religious beliefs above.
It’s difficult to understand the Mormon position of Jesus dying for a stegosaurus family in 300 million BC.
My point with all of this being that the entire idea of Christian salvation becomes silly when you take it to its logical conclusion. That God or Jesus have to find a planet suitable for said stegosaurus to live out his perfected stegosaurus life is just silly. Same for the pigeon on the roof of your home.
Yeah, I doubt Jesus's atonement had much to do with saving a stegosaurus. The intelligence that functioned within the being of that stegosaurus?
Well, that's another thing.
Makes much more sense that His atonement saves us. Sentient human beings that know we're going to die. The whole annihilation thing just doesn't do it for me. There is too much that went into making me...me.
And you...you.
It didn't just happen in a random fashion. There is purpose. There is meaning. That extends beyond the grave.
Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, ‘What are you making?’ Does your work say, ‘The potter has no hands’?”
Isaiah 45:9
The whole annihilation thing just doesn't do it for me. There is too much that went into making me...me.
And you...you.
It didn't just happen in a random fashion. There is purpose. There is meaning. That extends beyond the grave.
I would love to be in complete control of when I die and what I accomplish. But we seem to live in a world where we evolved by natural selection (which people forget means trillions of animals died ruthless painful tortuous deaths) and where organisms are recycled to literally be the atoms in the bodies for the next generations. We are waves in the ocean.
I find some solace in the fact that we are all one in that real physical sense.
The whole annihilation thing just doesn't do it for me. There is too much that went into making me...me.
And you...you.
It didn't just happen in a random fashion. There is purpose. There is meaning. That extends beyond the grave.
I would love to be in complete control of when I die and what I accomplish. But we seem to live in a world where we evolved by natural selection (which people forget means trillions of animals died ruthless painful tortuous deaths) and where organisms are recycled to literally be the atoms in the bodies for the next generations. We are waves in the ocean.
I find some solace in the fact that we are all one in that real physical sense.
And if you look at it from purely a "physical sense" that's really the only possibility, isn't it?
