Trump is not a fascist

[Markk]

The act constrains its use to times of war or when being invaded by a foreign government.

This has not occurred.

That is just not true. We are being invaded by a foreign "nation", the gang members are from a foreign nation, and foreign national of the nation. These gang members were not invited, they for the most part come here illegally, participate in illegal activities, and threaten the security, safety, and welfare of American Citizens and our country as a whole. And, on top of that they have been declared terrorist organizations. They are terrorists.

The act reads that "or any invasion or predatory incursion shall be perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States, by any foreign nation or government, ".....It does not have to be a declared war, but just a threat against us as a people by a foreign nation, and we are being threatened by nationals of a foreign nation, there is just no denying this.

There is nothing in the act that reads that the threat has to be sanctioned and supported by the government of the national that we are being illegally invaded by.

Do you believe this is and has been a real problem in our country, and assuming you do please answer my repeated question, or tell me why you are okay with these gangs being in our country and growing stronger under previous administrations.

3rd request: "What would be your plan and what is the left's plan to deal with these foreign gangs on US soil?"

[Morley]

This is only about due process. It's not about allegations of domestic abuse or gang membership that haven't been substantiated outside of due process. Without due process, anything can be alleged and then acted upon.

What are these due process clauses that Trump has 'wisely' taken advantage of? I must have missed them. Are the courts aware of them? Do the courts--who in our system are the arbitrators of such claims--agree with them?

I appreciate that, and your clarity here, thanks. Trump, by executive privilege and the constitution, Invoked the Alien Enemies Act (AEA). Which in short in regard to this specific question reads....

" Sec. 3. I direct that all Alien Enemies described in section 1 of this proclamation are subject to immediate apprehension, detention, and removal, and further that they shall not be permitted residence in the United States.

Full context here...https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential ... de-aragua/

This is being debated and in the end will go before the the Supreme Court for a concrete decision, which Trump wants, I think, in that it is a right leaning court majority. Currently it is ambiguous and unclear. This is going on real time, and my understanding, and I'll listen to any options you have, is that the the Supreme Court is cryptic in their decisions on this, understandably, because it is moving fast and they want more information from the lower courts and the government.

Keep in mind what is critical here is that Trump named many gangs foreign terrorist organizations.

We are suppose to know more later in the week.

Where I differ is that I believe that we should not tolerate, or even entertain people that are here illegally, that beat their wives or any person, that are gang members, or commit crimes. Hopefully in my opinion, we will get a clear decision that will settle this. I believe we can deal with this quickly and decisively with amendments to the US code, such as in 1325 and 1326.

People always slip through the system, whether criminally or civilly....so I don't put much weight on that argument. prisons are full of people that have been screwed, who receive due process. We, in my opinion, have the ability to separate citizens, from those who enter here illegally.

Thanks.

It doesn't matter if dude is a wife beater or is covered in gang tattoos. It doesn't matter if Trump is against gangs, or that gangs are bad, or that things sometimes get screwed up even if folks get due process.

This is only about due process, and that according to the Constitution, the government can't deny a person due process. It's not about allegations of domestic abuse or gang membership or anything that hasn't been substantiated outside of due process. Without due process, anything can be alleged and then acted upon.

The Due Process Clause of the Constitution is found in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. It's there to ensure that the government cannot deprive individuals of life, liberty, or property without following fair procedures.

II explained that due process has clauses, and Trump wisely is taking advantage of one of them to clean up the mess that past administrations created and which you apparently support.

There are no clauses in either the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments for Trump to 'wisely' take 'advantage of.' His invocation of the Alien Enemies Act has nothing to do with any clause in the Constitution's due process guarantees in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

No one here has to provide an alternate method to solving gang problems to be justified in saying that Trump's wrong in this. Demanding folks do that is a deflection. Insisting on that like saying that I can't critique Luigi Mangione's killing of the CEO of United Health Care without coming up with an alternative solution to America's healthcare problems.

Your only legitimate line of argument is that Trump is allowed to use the Alien Enemy Act to suspend guarantees of due process. I think it's a specious argument, but you should stick to that.

Prior to this, the The Alien Enemy Act has only been invoked three times, and those were during major wars. With the wars of 1812, WWI, and WWII, foreign governments had declared war on the US, and the US Congress had declared war on foreign countries. Nothing like that is the case now. Members of foreign gangs in the US does not equal foreign governments carrying out invasions of the US.

I agree with the federal court that this a a pretty weak argument for sending someone like Kilmar Abrego Garcia to the prison of a foreign country without due process. You seem to think that, since he's alleged have been a tattooed wife beater, it's okay.

[Morley]

We are being invaded by a foreign "nation", the gang members are from a foreign nation, and foreign national of the nation.

That you have to put "nation" in scare quotes to make this make sense says it all.

[Moksha]

Prior to this, the The Alien Enemy Act has only been invoked three times, and those were during major wars. With the wars of 1812, WWI, and WWII, foreign governments had declared war on the US, and the US Congress had declared war on foreign countries.

We have left normal time and space. We've now entered into the Trump Zone.

[canpakes]

We have left normal time and space. We've now entered into the Trump Zone.

Of course. Per the White House:

“Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow, and improve productivity.”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/2025/04/8716/

[Bret Ripley]

We are being invaded by a foreign "nation", the gang members are from a foreign nation, and foreign national of the nation.

That you have to put "nation" in scare quotes to make this make sense says it all.

In Markk's defense: I too am unable to write "we are being invaded by a foreign nation" with a straight face.

[Kishkumen]

In Markk's defense: I too am unable to write "we are being invaded by a foreign nation" with a straight face.

I have tried to drive home, a few times, the point that for centuries most people within the fuzzy borders of the Roman Empire lacked Roman citizenship. That reality did not bring the empire suddenly to its knees. What is the MAGA freakout over?

[Bret Ripley]

In Markk's defense: I too am unable to write "we are being invaded by a foreign nation" with a straight face.

I have tried to drive home, a few times, the point that for centuries most people within the fuzzy borders of the Roman Empire lacked Roman citizenship. That reality did not bring the empire suddenly to its knees. What is the MAGA freakout over?

Related: why go to the trouble and mess of staging an actual Reichstag fire when plenty of folks will enthusiastically allow themselves to be duped by an imaginary one?

[Kishkumen]

Related: why go to the trouble and mess of staging an actual Reichstag fire when plenty of folks will enthusiastically allow themselves to be duped by an imaginary one?

Online communication has been the cause of many imaginary catastrophes with real adverse consequences.

[Markk]

Morley: It doesn't matter if dude is a wife beater or is covered in gang tattoos. It doesn't matter if Trump is against gangs, or that gangs are bad, or that things sometimes get screwed up even if folks get due process.

This is only about due process, and that according to the Constitution, the government can't deny a person due process. It's not about allegations of domestic abuse or gang membership or anything that hasn't been substantiated outside of due process. Without due process, anything can be alleged and then acted upon.

The Due Process Clause of the Constitution is found in both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. It's there to ensure that the government cannot deprive individuals of life, liberty, or property without following fair procedures.

I disagree, there are clauses and acts that dictate otherwise. There is a fundamental disagreement here and in the end the the Supreme Court will decide.

Garcia was declared a member of a terrorist organization. Two judges stated he is an MS-13 member. His breaking the law with his failures to appear is enough alone to have him deported per the US code. His receiving protection does not negate his being a member of MS-13. His being a wife beater is just another reason for his removal.

Pretending that there is not clause in the constitution and precedence to "excuse" due process is just avoiding the constitution and the amendments and decision related to it.

Again this will be looked at by the the Supreme Court, they want more information from the courts and from the Executive branch. We will see what they decide soon.

I keep asking, maybe you will answer the question....What is the plan of the left, with dealing with these gangs? How will they round them up, detain them, and give them due process? They didn't do a lot under Biden, but let more in. So if the the Supreme Court sides against the AEA, how should we as a country, deal with these gangs, and Garcia as a wife beater and member of MS-13, as terrorists per US 1189 and other codes and laws?