The Gospel Is Beautifully Simple

[Moksha]

Apparently some folks here would just as well ignore/bypass it...and give her a 'pass'. After all, she's on the home team, right?

Regards,
MG

I simply read the flow chart, and it rang true with me. I never considered who the author was because it was in no way biographical, but was mostly an information-providing tool. One that contained much candor in a short, easy-to-follow manner.

[Marcus]

Apparently some folks here would just as well ignore/bypass it...and give her a 'pass'. After all, she's on the home team, right?

Regards,
MG

I simply read the flow chart, and it rang true with me. I never considered who the author was because it was in no way biographical, but was mostly an information-providing tool. One that contained much candor in a short, easy-to-follow manner.

Some people have to make sure a Mormon is speaking. Otherwise, they are not allowed to listen. Some go even further and assume any nonmormon must be disparaged and gossiped about.

[malkie]

I simply read the flow chart, and it rang true with me. I never considered who the author was because it was in no way biographical, but was mostly an information-providing tool. One that contained much candor in a short, easy-to-follow manner.

Some people have to make sure a Mormon is speaking. Otherwise, they are not allowed to listen. Some go even further and assume any nonmormon must be disparaged and gossiped about.

Just as some people have to make sure that the person with the male-sounding name is actually male, otherwise they don't know how to interact with them.

[MG 2.0]

I simply read the flow chart, and it rang true with me. I never considered who the author was because it was in no way biographical, but was mostly an information-providing tool. One that contained much candor in a short, easy-to-follow manner.

Some people have to make sure a Mormon is speaking. Otherwise, they are not allowed to listen. Some go even further and assume any nonmormon must be disparaged and gossiped about.

Some people have to make sure a non-Mormon is speaking. Otherwise, they are not allowed to listen. Some go even further and assume any Mormon must be disparaged and gossiped about.

Regards,
MG

[Philo Sofee]

“The gospel of Jesus Christ is beautifully simple and simply beautiful.” Apostle Matthew Cowley,

As a missionary, I wish I had access to this simple flowchart. It’s true, the beauty of the gospel really is found in its simplicity.

I didn't get any farther than the second sentence, "Your souls were berthed on a planet near a star called Kolob." This person apparently has been reading some Cleon Skousen and some Orson F. Whitney. Neither who, as far as I am aware, speaks doctrinally for the church. If this person started off on the wrong foot...where do we go from there? Next sentence: God's wives had bodies? No doctrine on that. There might be some actual doctrine mixed in with all the other conjecture and non-doctrinal stuff.

Yada, yada, yada.

By the way, read this person's personal history. She had some personal issues.

The final blow to my faith came when I endured spiritual abuse by a bishop and stake president who meddled in my life and told me they knew God’s will better than I did. My bishop exercised authority over psychological issues that he was unqualified to understand, advising me to stay in an abusive marriage. He told me that I had a duty to correct my husband’s waywardness, and that God would be angry with me if I forsook my temple covenants. I felt in my heart that it was in my best interest to leave, but I trusted my Bishop as my priesthood leader. After reaching a point where I knew that my life would be at risk if I stayed any longer, I finally decided to stop listening to priesthood leaders and do what I knew was right. I finally saw that the top-down structure of the LDS church has no resources for abused members when the system fails. My trust is broken, and I will not go back to be mistreated again by a system that brushes aside those who don’t fit in perfectly.

Trust but verify. And there is no way to do that. People can get personal issues all tangled up in everything else. Yeah, some will say we ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt to the person claiming abuse...but that has its own potential concerns/issues.

She MIGHT be telling the truth...but who really knows? Anyway, she got it wrong just in the second and third sentence of her cute little...I mean huge...diagram. Huge doesn't mean its all true.

Regards,
MG

No doctrine on the wives having bodies......sometimes logic of internal doctrine is more powerful than any pronouncement of doctrine through words. If MEN get bodies resurrected and exalted, then SO DO WOMEN. WHAT in Mormonism becomes of a woman? MARRIAGE, and what is the purpose of marriage? CHILDREN. Your too squishy on so much MG its amusing. Trying to avoid the obvious implication of Mormon teachings doesn't work MG.

[I Have Questions]

I’ve asked this question in person a few times, but have yet to get a straight, clear, answer. What, specifically IS the Gospel as far as Mormonism is concerned? I don’t think Mormon’s know. Is there anything in the OP’s graphic that Mormon’s would dispute are part of their “Gospel”?

[Marcus]

Some people have to make sure a Mormon is speaking. Otherwise, they are not allowed to listen. Some go even further and assume any nonmormon must be disparaged and gossiped about.

Just as some people have to make sure that the person with the male-sounding name is actually male, otherwise they don't know how to interact with them.

I remember that! That was an amusing time. Your description fits this topic quite well, as Philo pointed out above.

[MG 2.0]

I didn't get any farther than the second sentence, "Your souls were berthed on a planet near a star called Kolob." This person apparently has been reading some Cleon Skousen and some Orson F. Whitney. Neither who, as far as I am aware, speaks doctrinally for the church. If this person started off on the wrong foot...where do we go from there? Next sentence: God's wives had bodies? No doctrine on that. There might be some actual doctrine mixed in with all the other conjecture and non-doctrinal stuff.

Yada, yada, yada.

By the way, read this person's personal history. She had some personal issues. Trust but verify. And there is no way to do that. People can get personal issues all tangled up in everything else. Yeah, some will say we ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt to the person claiming abuse...but that has its own potential concerns/issues. She MIGHT be telling the truth...but who really knows?

Anyway, she got it wrong just in the second and third sentence of her cute little...I mean huge...diagram. Huge doesn't mean its all true.

Regards,
MG

No doctrine on the wives having bodies......sometimes logic of internal doctrine is more powerful than any pronouncement of doctrine through words. If MEN get bodies resurrected and exalted, then SO DO WOMEN. WHAT in Mormonism becomes of a woman? MARRIAGE, and what is the purpose of marriage? CHILDREN. Your too squishy on so much MG its amusing. Trying to avoid the obvious implication of Mormon teachings doesn't work MG.

When you're dealing with space and time things do get rather squishy, don't they? We are so INSIDE of linear time we can't imagine anything outside of it.

By the way, as a side note, I know you like to read and have a lot of books on your shelf. I've seen them when I've watched a few of your presentations on YouTube. Here is a book you might enjoy (I've been reading it off and on for a while...it's kind of heavy reading for an old retired elementary educator).

Into the Unknown-The Quest to Understand the Mysteries of the Cosmos.

The author is Kelsey Johnson a professor of astronomy at the University of Virginia.

There is so much we don't know! I think that applies to Mormon cosmology/theology. I'm disappointed when I see people 'trash' those things that they have little or no complete understanding of.

It's OK to say, "I don't know". But there are some things I...and others... do know (or at least have high expectations of/for). And of course, that might vary from person to person, right? We should respect that. I suppose that's why I find the constant bashing/bitching that goes on around here a bit childish in the sense that we are ALL children in the larger scheme of things.

And here we have some folks...albeit smart folks...that jump ship because the answers at hand don't seem to fit within the framework of 'human sight' and experience.

God is so much bigger than any one of us can comprehend. Mormonism allows for this bigger God and a progressive framework for mankind that is AWESOME. But since we can't fully wrap our minds around it we have some that replace their own limited understanding into the framework.

That often gums things up. At least that's my observation.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

No doctrine on the wives having bodies......sometimes logic of internal doctrine is more powerful than any pronouncement of doctrine through words. If MEN get bodies resurrected and exalted, then SO DO WOMEN. WHAT in Mormonism becomes of a woman? MARRIAGE, and what is the purpose of marriage? CHILDREN. Your too squishy on so much MG its amusing. Trying to avoid the obvious implication of Mormon teachings doesn't work MG.

When you're dealing with space and time things do get rather squishy, don't they? We are so INSIDE of linear time we can't imagine anything outside of it.

By the way, as a side note, I know you like to read and have a lot of books on your shelf. I've seen them when I've watched a few of your presentations on YouTube. Here is a book you might enjoy (I've been reading it off and on for a while...it's kind of heavy reading for an old retired elementary educator).

Into the Unknown-The Quest to Understand the Mysteries of the Cosmos.

The author is Kelsey Johnson a professor of astronomy at the University of Virginia.

There is so much we don't know! I think that applies to Mormon cosmology/theology. I'm disappointed when I see people 'trash' those things that they have little or no complete understanding of.

It's OK to say, "I don't know". But there are some things I...and others... do know (or at least have high expectations of/for). And of course, that might vary from person to person, right? We should respect that. I suppose that's why I find the constant bashing/bitching that goes on around here a bit childish in the sense that we are ALL children in the larger scheme of things.

And here we have some folks...albeit smart folks...that jump ship because the answers at hand don't seem to fit within the framework of 'human sight' and experience.

God is so much bigger than any one of us can comprehend. Mormonism allows for this bigger God and a progressive framework for mankind that is AWESOME. But since we can't fully wrap our minds around it we have some that replace their own limited understanding into the framework.

That often gums things up. At least that's my observation.

Regards,
MG

I don't know is a perfectly acceptable way of answering some of the most fundamental questions about the origination and nature of our universe. But then here comes Mormonism (and others) and claims they know. Not only do they know they say it's a guy. And we know who this guys son is. We know what he wants us to do. He cares about where we touch ourself and what we eat, what we wear and he demands money. That isn't I don't know.

[I Have Questions]

When you're dealing with space and time things do get rather squishy, don't they? We are so INSIDE of linear time we can't imagine anything outside of it.

By the way, as a side note, I know you like to read and have a lot of books on your shelf. I've seen them when I've watched a few of your presentations on YouTube. Here is a book you might enjoy (I've been reading it off and on for a while...it's kind of heavy reading for an old retired elementary educator).

Into the Unknown-The Quest to Understand the Mysteries of the Cosmos.

The author is Kelsey Johnson a professor of astronomy at the University of Virginia.

There is so much we don't know! I think that applies to Mormon cosmology/theology. I'm disappointed when I see people 'trash' those things that they have little or no complete understanding of.

It's OK to say, "I don't know". But there are some things I...and others... do know (or at least have high expectations of/for). And of course, that might vary from person to person, right? We should respect that. I suppose that's why I find the constant bashing/bitching that goes on around here a bit childish in the sense that we are ALL children in the larger scheme of things.

And here we have some folks...albeit smart folks...that jump ship because the answers at hand don't seem to fit within the framework of 'human sight' and experience.

God is so much bigger than any one of us can comprehend. Mormonism allows for this bigger God and a progressive framework for mankind that is AWESOME. But since we can't fully wrap our minds around it we have some that replace their own limited understanding into the framework.

That often gums things up. At least that's my observation.

Regards,
MG

I don't know is a perfectly acceptable way of answering some of the most fundamental questions about the origination and nature of our universe. But then here comes Mormonism (and others) and claims they know. Not only do they know they say it's a guy. And we know who this guys son is. We know what he wants us to do. He cares about where we touch ourself and what we eat, what we wear and he demands money. That isn't I don't know.

And Mormon leaders claim to have special access rights that no other religion has, and so they are the only men on earth who can speak on God’s behalf.