What Will the LDS Church Do?

[I Have Questions]

Yes they have. They’ve uttered plenty of peeps on the same-sex marriage political debate, for example. They uttered plenty of peeps on the Equality Act. They uttered peeps on the American government’s plan of vaccinations against COVID. They even uttered a barely audible peep on Donald’s deportation plans.

Oops; allow me to clarify:

They haven't uttered a peep in denunciation of a specific political leader.

Apostles attending the inauguration of Donald Trump is the Church stepping into the political arena. It’s not the act of a politically neutral organisation. In fact, I’d argue it’s an act that shows the Church is first and foremost American in nature. Given Trump’s behaviour would see him summarily excommunicated as a member of the Church, it staggers me that they would be seen supporting such an event. I’ll grant you that they haven’t uttered a peep in denigration of even the most abhorrent of world leaders, even though they have a self proclaimed duty to speak on God’s behalf against their actions. They are happy to support any and all political leaders who they think they can curry favour with.

[I Have Questions]

However, there comes a point when silence looks too much like consent,

The argument that church leaders shouldn't get involved makes sense from a secular perspective but if we're judging the Church on its own message, then with a living prophet, you have to ask, what would Lehi do?

At the very least, if prophets like Gordan B. Hinckley publish books with titles like, "Standing for something" then they ought to include and asterisk and a long list of qualifications.

And that’s the point in a nutshell. They don’t practice what they preach. They exhort members to stand up and be counted, but they themselves lack the backbone to lead by example. Unlike the recently deceased Pope.

[Kishkumen]

Kishkumen, what I will never get about extremists like you is why you insist on sticking to the same ridiculous talking points that helped you lose the election in the first place. It's like watching someone step on a rake and then do it again for fun!

LOL! I didn't lose the election. The candidate I voted for did not win the election. Try real hard to differentiate between politics and a horserace. Put some effort into keeping those things separate. I vote according to the issues. Voting out of unmet psychological needs is for people like you.

Here are the juicy tidbits for the progressives on the board! Trump isn't throwing a tantrum at the holy constitution, that's just Kishkumens' Trump derangement syndrome having a field day! Mormons can totally back Trump! Only someone with a wild imagination would wonder why folks from a predominantly conservative faith would cheer for him.

Let's think about how fundamentally dumb these comments are. First, no one here is saying the Constitution is holy. I am commenting about the fact that this is an LDS doctrine, straight out of its scriptural canon. Second, Trump is not throwing a tantrum at the Constitution, he is throwing it in the trash in that he has no respect for it and shows his lack of respect very clearly in his violation of it. No one here, except in your defective imagination, is saying that Mormons can't back Trump. They are free to back whomever they please. The point I am making is that in doing so they are contradicting the core tenets of their own religion. And this is obvious. It is clearly not obvious to a MAGA idiot like you, however.

Finally, you say that only a person with a "wild imagination" would wonder why folks from a predominantly conservative faith would cheer for him. Let's consider the words of a true American conservative, George Will, on this topic. Will acutely observed that American conservatism differs from European conservatism in that American conservatism focuses on liberty, whereas European conservatism is of the "throne and altar" variety. Trump's authoritarian demagoguery does not really fit into conservatism at all. He is certainly not an American-style conservative. Some of his prominent acolytes seem to present themselves more in the European conservative mould, but I would argue that they are really Putinesque authoritarian kleptocrats.

You're really giving off some serious "please notice me" vibes

Yeah, what gave it away, the fact that I post on a board with a dozen other people?

Quit the theatrics, stop whining about your 2024 losses, and try behaving like an adult who doesn’t need a centenarian Mormon prophet to tackle the imaginary villain Trump you've cooked up in your head.

Come back to reality, Hound. Stop trying to make your lunacy seem reasonable. It's not working.

[Kishkumen]

And that’s the point in a nutshell. They don’t practice what they preach. They exhort members to stand up and be counted, but they themselves lack the backbone to lead by example. Unlike the recently deceased Pope.

Indeed. Pope Francis was a true moral leader, who did not shy away from making his position on moral issues with political ramifications crystal clear.

[Kishkumen]

The argument that church leaders shouldn't get involved makes sense from a secular perspective but if we're judging the Church on its own message, then with a living prophet, you have to ask, what would Lehi do?

At the very least, if prophets like Gordan B. Hinckley publish books with titles like, "Standing for something" then they ought to include and asterisk and a long list of qualifications.

Ancient prophets spoke out in criticism of Israel's kings.

Nathan confronted David about David's adultery and murder of Uriah.

Elijah challenged Ahab for his idolatry and unjust actions.

Amos criticized Jeroboam II for oppression of the poor.

[canpakes]

Mormons can totally back Trump! Only someone with a wild imagination would wonder why folks from a predominantly conservative faith would cheer for him.

In my opinion, it's quite clear that he's not being truthful and I find it difficult to comprehend why anyone would support him.

Oh, OK.

[Philo Sofee]

Deeply profound reflections Kish. I am VERY interested to see what DCP will tell his fellow apologist saints who support Trump. If he will stand up for God and Constitution or not. This does appear to be a REAL Constitutional crisis being caused by a tyrant, and the Saints are said to be the ones to save it as it hangs by a thread. If it is not hanging now by that thread, how the hell much more can Trump trample everything sacred in our country before EVERYONE steps up and says ENOUGH! How does Trump continue to be able to waste away our country without being held accountable is flabbergasting to me. WHERE is Nelson when he is needed?!

The sense of urgency emanating from your post is truly remarkable.

I encourage you to read your post several times to fully understand what you have expressed.....

No, I can't possibly do that, I am too deep to understand myself, sorry.......

[Doctor Steuss]

I've been going through the Newsroom for the year, and there are multiple releases that could have easily mentioned the Church's stance in opposition of the policy implementations of the Trump administration, like they did repeatedly last time he was President.

A release on the WFP makes no mention of the gutting of international aid programs, food wasting away on shelves, etc.

A release on environmental responsibility makes no mention of EPA rollbacks, and cutting funding for marginalized communities to deal with environmental hazards (like the black community that had funding pulled to stop municipal sewage from leaking into their yards).

A release on medical aid makes no mention of the hundreds of thousands of babies who are going to be born with HIV because of the abject cruelty disguised as fiscal responsibility of the current administration.

A release on race, women, and science makes no mention of the administration's anti-women, race, and science crusade with grant funding (because anything that so much as smells of "DEI" is woke).

A release from Elder Echo Hawk makes no mention the rampant harassment of Native Americans by federal agents.

Last Trump Presidency, at least a few of this would have had a separate release, specifically condemning the actions. Now, it's release, after release, after release (some of which deal directly with the fallout caused by Trump's admin) with never taking any type of stance. If I were a betting man, I'd wager the Church is probably being hyper vigilant to not do anything to make them a target of losing their tax exempt status, or other federal benefits.

[sock puppet]

I've been going through the Newsroom for the year, and there are multiple releases that could have easily mentioned the Church's stance in opposition of the policy implementations of the Trump administration, like they did repeatedly last time he was President.

A release on the WFP makes no mention of the gutting of international aid programs, food wasting away on shelves, etc.

A release on environmental responsibility makes no mention of EPA rollbacks, and cutting funding for marginalized communities to deal with environmental hazards (like the black community that had funding pulled to stop municipal sewage from leaking into their yards).

A release on medical aid makes no mention of the hundreds of thousands of babies who are going to be born with HIV because of the abject cruelty disguised as fiscal responsibility of the current administration.

A release on race, women, and science makes no mention of the administration's anti-women, race, and science crusade with grant funding (because anything that so much as smells of "DEI" is woke).

A release from Elder Echo Hawk makes no mention the rampant harassment of Native Americans by federal agents.

Last Trump Presidency, at least a few of this would have had a separate release, specifically condemning the actions. Now, it's release, after release, after release (some of which deal directly with the fallout caused by Trump's admin) with never taking any type of stance. If I were a betting man, I'd wager the Church is probably being hyper vigilant to not do anything to make them a target of losing their tax exempt status, or other federal benefits.

Edmund Burke said, "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Maybe the Brethren are not even good men anymore.

[Kishkumen]

But the point is that good men can do nothing and thus their goodness is of no use. You may be right that this is not real goodness. I am inclined to agree.