Good Dan demolishes DCP’s favorite apologetic tactic

[drumdude]

https://youtu.be/zqTcwCdGeRg

Over and over again, DCP has tried to portray science as a dogma equivalent to his dogmatic religious beliefs. He has for years called Gemli a dogmatist for being skeptical of supernatural claims.

McClellan is excellent at cutting to the heart of the issue with this underhanded apologetic tactic.

The nickname “Good Dan” is a reference to Robert Boylan’s name for Dan McClellan when he makes a point he agrees with.

[Rivendale]

Great video that summarizes the main talking points. Sophomoric prophylaxis. Great word selection. The witnesses claimed to see angels because Joseph Smith said they would, a great illustration of how preconceived dogma enters the experience. I also like how he described the attempt to justify the existence of angels and demons by claiming mythological materialistic do the same epistemological mistakes by ignoring the unknowns in naturalistic explanations. The difference being there is no data used in the conclusion that the supernatural exists.

[drumdude]

Great video that summarizes the main talking points. Sophomoric prophylaxis. Great word selection. The witnesses claimed to see angels because Joseph Smith said they would, a great illustration of how preconceived dogma enters the experience. I also like how he described the attempt to justify the existence of angels and demons by claiming mythological materialistic do the same epistemological mistakes by ignoring the unknowns in naturalistic explanations. The difference being there is no data used in the conclusion that the supernatural exists.

Dan has a real knack for boiling down complex topics into the essential elements to show the issue with apologetics. I love it, and I love that he’s gaining such a large following.

[sock puppet]

Boylan might refer to McClellan as Good Dan. In the linked video, it is clear he was Logical Dan--which DCP clearly is not when it comes to Mormon topics.

[phaedrus ut]

I've moved on from most of my post Mormon study of Mormonism and only come back to these forums to see if anything interesting going on. It makes me happy that McClellan is called the good Dan. I do watch quite a bit of his content and I have no idea if he is still a believer or not but his scholarship is legit.

Phaedrus

[Rivendale]

I've moved on from most of my post Mormon study of Mormonism and only come back to these forums to see if anything interesting going on. It makes me happy that McClellan is called the good Dan. I do watch quite a bit of his content and I have no idea if he is still a believer or not but his scholarship is legit.

Phaedrus

Dan has kept his personal beliefs private but he still participates in church services and he has said he makes people very uncomfortable in various mettings and isn't shy to correct people that say false things. I find it strange with his knowledge he can continue. David Bokovoy couldn't do it. Brian Hauglid walked back many of his old arguments in favor of the church specifically the Book of Abraham. Most of the top apologetic scholars who stay have been shown to be dishonest. Dan dosen't seem to be like that.

[Doctor Steuss]

Dan has kept his personal beliefs private but he still participates in church services and he has said he makes people very uncomfortable in various meetings and isn't shy to correct people that say false things. I find it strange with his knowledge he can continue. David Bokovoy couldn't do it. Brian Hauglid walked back many of his old arguments in favor of the church specifically the Book of Abraham. Most of the top apologetic scholars who stay have been shown to be dishonest. Dan doesn't seem to be like that.

I think there's a chance Dr. Bokovoy would probably still be attending if it weren't for the Church's hostility towards LGBTQ+. His split with the Church wasn't necessarily an intellectual one. It was a moral one.

[drumdude]

I've moved on from most of my post Mormon study of Mormonism and only come back to these forums to see if anything interesting going on. It makes me happy that McClellan is called the good Dan. I do watch quite a bit of his content and I have no idea if he is still a believer or not but his scholarship is legit.

Phaedrus

Dan has kept his personal beliefs private but he still participates in church services and he has said he makes people very uncomfortable in various meetings and isn't shy to correct people that say false things. I find it strange with his knowledge he can continue. David Bokovoy couldn't do it. Brian Hauglid walked back many of his old arguments in favor of the church specifically the Book of Abraham. Most of the top apologetic scholars who stay have been shown to be dishonest. Dan doesn't seem to be like that.

Sounds like it’s time for a court of love to sort him out. Wouldn’t want him missing out on Super VIP heaven for calling a spade a spade.

[Rivendale]

Dan has kept his personal beliefs private but he still participates in church services and he has said he makes people very uncomfortable in various mettings and isn't shy to correct people that say false things. I find it strange with his knowledge he can continue. David Bokovoy couldn't do it. Brian Hauglid walked back many of his old arguments in favor of the church specifically the Book of Abraham. Most of the top apologetic scholars who stay have been shown to be dishonest. Dan doesn't seem to be like that.

I think there's a chance Dr. Bokovoy would probably still be attending if it weren't for the Church's hostility towards LGBTQ+. His split with the Church wasn't necessarily an intellectual one. It was a moral one.

I could be remembering this wrong but I think during his Mormon stories interview David said he was warned multiple times that his textual criticism studies would kill his testimony and he felt self confident that he could withstand it but then in the end he admitted it did exactly that.

[Rivendale]

Dan has kept his personal beliefs private but he still participates in church services and he has said he makes people very uncomfortable in various meetings and isn't shy to correct people that say false things. I find it strange with his knowledge he can continue. David Bokovoy couldn't do it. Brian Hauglid walked back many of his old arguments in favor of the church specifically the Book of Abraham. Most of the top apologetic scholars who stay have been shown to be dishonest. Dan doesn't seem to be like that.

Sounds like it’s time for a court of love to sort him out. Wouldn’t want him missing out on Super VIP heaven for calling a spade a spade.

I think he is careful to only react and not actively engage until someone else makes a claim. But I agree that might not matter.