All 7 Of Jacob Hansen's Siblings Have Left The Church

[Morley]

A.I. went on to sort of rip up your initial response. It was kind of fun to hear the two A.I.'s duke it out though, don't you think?

No. It was fully into stupid and about a half block south of preposterous. It was not a reasonable use of either our brains or A.I..

[Morley]

No one is on the hook. No one is obligated to justify their opinions to you. No one is obligated to answer your questions, respond to your tantrums, reply to your robochats, or watch your videos.

You either inspire folks to do that or you don't. Attempts at bullying generally just makes folks turn away.

Seemingly...it doesn't work both ways. If I don't answer questions. If I don't respond to people bellyaching about the church. If I hadn't responded to your own robochat...I would have been called out. And have in the past. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Tantrums? Do I hear a bit of whining there? I'm suggesting that people watch Jacob Hansen's presentations without having been influenced unduly by naysayers.

Glad you showed up!

Regards,
MG

MG, I think you misunderstand. There is no ‘both ways.’ You can’t disappoint me, because I don’t expect anything from you. I don’t expect you to answer questions honestly. Or to do it without an A.I. bot. When you make a promise, I don’t count on you keeping it. I think most others here feel the same. You’re free to do what you will, my friend.

[Marcus]

Seemingly...it doesn't work both ways. If I don't answer questions. If I don't respond to people bellyaching about the church. If I hadn't responded to your own robochat...I would have been called out. And have in the past. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Tantrums? Do I hear a bit of whining there? I'm suggesting that people watch Jacob Hansen's presentations without having been influenced unduly by naysayers.

Glad you showed up!

Regards,
MG

MG, I think you misunderstand. There is no ‘both ways.’ You can’t disappoint me, because I don’t expect anything from you. I don’t expect you to answer questions honestly. Or to do it without an A.I. bot. When you make a promise, I don’t count on you keeping it. I think most others here feel the same...

Yes, we do.

[I Have Questions]

I would recommend that people actually watch...yeah, it takes time...to watch Hansen's presentations. I have not watched all of them but the ones that I have watched I believe have fairly well represented pro and con arguments and especially made clear the actual doctrines of the church without diluting them as will often happen when critics get their hands on things.

Would you be so good as to support this assertion with some cold, hard facts (or non-facts) from his videos? Links, time stamps?

Otherwise, aren't you blowing hot air?

According to your idea of quid pro quo, it’s now your turn, so I’m bumping this for you.

[Morley]

Except for the fact that so many leave God and Jesus in the dust when they leave the church. It's almost as if they didn't already have that connection.

That’s not been my experience. I think that folks who leave often do develop a view of God and Jesus that doesn’t align with the seemingly quirky view that Mormonism dictates—but that’s not the same as leaving them behind. The Mormon conceptions of God are alien and strange to many other faith traditions. It’s often difficult to understand that while you’re ensconced in the LDS faith.

[Doctor Steuss]

[...]
This bit toward the end was pretty typical:

"Do you know the arguments of Thomas Aquinas, Blaise Pascal, George MacDonald, William Dembski, Stephen Meyer, Alvin Plantinga, WilliamLane Craig, Jordan Peterson, C.S. Lewis, G.K. Chesterton? Could you summarize the top arguments from each of these people? If you were to have read and fully understand the primary arguments made by all the people I just mentioned, and still you found Jeremy Runnell's CES letters strong enough to pull down your belief in God and Jesus, I would be shocked."

I find this posturing hilarious.

[...]

Imagine unironically pairing Jordan Peterson and William Dembski with Thomas Aquinas.

[Physics Guy]

It might well be true that no-one who had understood Aquinas and Plantinga and all would have been talked out of faith in God or Jesus by the CES Letter. I don’t remember the CES Letter saying anything about God or Jesus. I thought it was all about uniquely Mormon issues. So maybe someone whose only understanding of Christianity or theism came from Mormonism would have rejected them all based on the CES Letter, but anyone with much exposure to mainstream Christian apologetics would at least understand that the CES Letter wasn’t challenging God or Jesus, just Mormonism.

People can also thoroughly understand all the Christian apologists without being convinced by them. They just don’t owe their lack of faith in God or Jesus to the CES Letter. Their disbelief in them is unrelated to it.

[MG 2.0]

I can't make the argument that they should stay. They need to do what is best for themselves. If one can't move forward in faith they need to re-calibrate.

I'm sure Jacob is sorry to see them leave though. I'll bet that he prays that they will come back some day. In the meantime, like he said, love should and does conquer all.

Regards,
MG

That’s okay. There’s need for you to do anything but post your A.I. when the urge hits.

I've mentioned repeatedly the reasons for which I will use A.I.

It's a resource.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Except for the fact that so many leave God and Jesus in the dust when they leave the church. It's almost as if they didn't already have that connection.

That’s not been my experience. I think that folks who leave often do develop a view of God and Jesus that doesn’t align with the seemingly quirky view that Mormonism dictates—but that’s not the same as leaving them behind. The Mormon conceptions of God are alien and strange to many other faith traditions. It’s often difficult to understand that while you’re ensconced in the LDS faith.

Hard to say on that. That is, how many people lose their faith in God and Jesus Christ. If I were to ask that question here it would be interesting to see the response.

I would still maintain, that those that leave the church and lose their faith in God and become atheistic may have never had that connection with God and Jesus in the first place. Why? Because it is that connection that supersedes everything else.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

That’s not been my experience. I think that folks who leave often do develop a view of God and Jesus that doesn’t align with the seemingly quirky view that Mormonism dictates—but that’s not the same as leaving them behind. The Mormon conceptions of God are alien and strange to many other faith traditions. It’s often difficult to understand that while you’re ensconced in the LDS faith.

Hard to say on that. That is, how many people lose their faith in God and Jesus Christ. If I were to ask that question here it would be interesting to see the response.

I would still maintain, that those that leave the church and lose their faith in God and become atheistic may have never had that connection with God and Jesus in the first place. Why? Because it is that connection that supersedes everything else.

Regards,
MG

The No True Scotsman's accusation comes out as much as Godwin's law. Assuming that is true from your perspective, who's fault is that? With all the moving parts that supposedly happens with things like what family you end up with, what socioeconomic status, or your genetic predisposition.