No place for a president who will not defend the constitution

[Doctor Steuss]

It's guaranteed to citizens, not illegal immigrants.

When even one of the most conservative Supreme Court Justices in the history of the court disagrees with you, it might mean you've fallen off the ledge of the political spectrum.

"It is well established that the Fifth Amendment entitles aliens to due process of law" ~Antonin Scalia

[Jersey Girl]

guaranteed to every individual within U.S. jurisdiction by both the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

It's guaranteed to citizens, not illegal immigrants. But please go ahead and run on a campaign platform of socking it to the taxpayer and raising the debt so that all 30 million would be illegal immigrants are released into the country and provided with a free attorney, welfare, etc. while they await their court date rather than refusing to allow them to set one foot on US soil. Then see if the voters embrace a party who stands with MS13 gang bangers as opposed to the American people who have been terrorized and had their country invaded by them.

What is that? What are you talking about, due process and Mr. Garcia?

He most certainly is guaranteed the right to due process on account of the fact that his living here in the U.S. was sanctioned by court order. Don't you read the news, ajax18? Court rulings in the case?

As for his relationship to gang bangers, he was NOT a member of MS13. Apparently he was a candidate for the gang having NOT gone through membership process whatever the freak that is. You can rightly call him an associated however, he was not a member of MS13.

Reading. It's a thing.

You do realize that they're now nabbing U.S. Citizens off the street and deporting them, right?

Oh wait, it's that pesky reading thing again.

[¥akaSteelhead]

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

An alien, whether present lawfully, unlawfully, temporarily, or permanently, is a person within the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause and receives its protection.1 One of the earliest equal protection decisions, Yick Wo v. Hopkins,2 involved the constitutionality of a municipal ordinance that granted officials absolute and unrestrained authority to grant licenses for laundries.3 The Supreme Court found the officials were employing their authority to deny permission to resident Chinese aliens.4 The Court struck down the facially neutral city ordinance as an equal protection violation, stating that the distinction was based on no reason . . . except hostility to the race and nationality. . . .

https://constitution.congress.gov/brows ... dments'%5D

[¥akaSteelhead]

" ... it must be concluded that all persons within the territory of the United States are entitled to the protections guaranteed by those amendments and that even aliens shall not be held to answer for a capital or other infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law," .

Wong Wing v. United States
Supreme Court of the US 1896

[Gadianton]

I think if Ajax were to relax (not easy) and think about it dispassionately, he has the intellect to grasp the problem with his own suggestion. I don't know if he went on a mission, or ever travels, but imagine travelling to a country on vacation whose constitutions specifically denies due process to anybody but citizens of the country. It's unthinkable. This is a fast and loose reference, but DeepSeek assures me that even North Korea, technically, protects its citizens and visitors with due process:

Article 69 – Guarantees citizens the right to a fair trial and the right to legal defense.

Article 72 – Prohibits arbitrary arrest and detention, stating that no one can be arrested without legal grounds or procedures.

Article 75 – Ensures the presumption of innocence until proven guilty in court.

Constitution (Article 10) – Claims that the DPRK’s laws are binding on all within its territory, implying equal protection.

Foreigners’ Rights (Article 16 of the Constitution) – States that foreigners in the DPRK are "guaranteed rights" under its laws.

In the USA Ajax recommends, the US constitution would protect personal rights less than any constitution on the planet including North Korea. Obviously, that's not an option. Admitting this, the only other play would be to "terminate" the constitution, and like North Korea, simply ignore due process, and make the constitution a sham.

Illegals don't get much in terms of due process in the US, but they get something.

On top of that is the big can of worms of proper identification. If you skirt due process for illegals, then there is no safeguard to stop legals or even citizens from being wrongfully identified by a hot head cop. (This is of course a feature for MAGA not a problem, but when they aren't speaking amongst themselves I think even Ajax would need to acknowledge that false identification is a problem.)

[ajax18]

You do realize that they're now nabbing U.S. Citizens off the street and deporting them, right?

I'd rather that than the mass importation of poverty facilitated by the last administration, and it turns out that more Americans agree with me than with you. Would you like to revisit getting a national divorce yet? If you really believe in your cause you could suspend your retirement, return to work and start donating your wages and opening up your home to house and take care of undocumented immigrants experiencing homelessness, invest in green energy research, or create your own foundation to replace the free condom funds in Africa that you were so broken up about when Elon Musk liberated the taxpayer from such waste, fraud, and abuse.

[¥akaSteelhead]

So you are saying it is ok to ignore constitutional guarantees of rights, as long as a lot of people are OK with it?

“F” that.

[canpakes]

… when Elon Musk liberated the taxpayer from such waste, fraud, and abuse.

Odd that no-one has been charged with any fraud or abuse, and the alleged waste hasn’t even added up to a tenth of one percent.

[Kishkumen]

I'd rather that than the mass importation of poverty facilitated by the last administration, and it turns out that more Americans agree with me than with you.

Numbers please?

Would you like to revisit getting a national divorce yet?

Just because the family has one incorrigible brat who is never satisfied does not mean the family has to break up.

If you really believe in your cause you could suspend your retirement, return to work and start donating your wages and opening up your home to house and take care of undocumented immigrants experiencing homelessness, invest in green energy research, or create your own foundation to replace the free condom funds in Africa that you were so broken up about when Elon Musk liberated the taxpayer from such waste, fraud, and abuse.

To paraphrase this dribble, "blah, blah, mental flatulence from right-wing media, yaddy-yadda."

[Doctor Steuss]

[...] it turns out that more Americans agree with me than with you. [...]

For those interested in what's happening in the real world, there isn't a single issue where the majority of Americans have confidence in Trump's abilities. That includes immigration.

Incredibly, there is only one other President that has had an approval rating this low during the first 100 days. That other President was also Trump.