Trump is not a fascist

[Kishkumen]

The point is, if God fearing republicans really wanted to purify the country by speedily removing illegals and changing laws to make it harder to immigrate here, they would have 1) let the economy continue to boom and not f with it 2) not drawn attention to themselves by outright defying rule of law 3) gone full force writing a series of Handmaid's bills that could speed up deportation and make it even harder to get in legally and stay. keeping a lower profile and not f-ing the economy would have ensured control of the house and Senate post 2026, that's 4 years straight of pushing through anti-immigration and anti-DEI bills into laws that the next president can't overturn with a pen stroke.

And so in this way of looking at things, by any standard, the present administration is an abysmal failure, even if you are a conservative Christian who actively wants to live in an evangelical version of 1984. The only way the present mayhem can be said to be in MAGA's interest is if it really can pull of a coup; undermine the next election and secure DT the presidency until he dies. Short of that, it's a failure.

And that is the endgame, as far as I can tell: coup. It has been an ongoing coup from the election to now. If it is about enacting policies that have a positively transformative impact on the country, it is a complete, dismal failure. It has been incompetently executed, and its effects have been disastrous. If this is about seizing power, then mission accomplished. If it is about grifting to the max, mission accomplished. If it is about truly making American great again, it is a dismal failure. Of course, Trump's definition of great is stuck around the year 1890.

[Markk]

Kish:You actually have no idea how this will pan out. Right now, the fact that the Trump administration is terrorizing everyone is making everyone but his fans wish they could be in a saner environment. So, if his plan is the enshittification of the USA as a border strategy, I guess it is seeing some measure of success, at the expense of our Constitution and the rule of law.

I don't see how anyone finds such a tradeoff acceptable, but then there is the MAGA mob.

And either do you. Everyone but the majority of Americans are not being terrorized, not even remotely. We do that very bad people are being removed from our country that have been taking advantage of us, which is not terrorism in any context but your exaggerated melodrama and ad hom personality and worldview.

Does this look unreasonable?

Over all no. And when folks take advantage of this, is it unreasonable to deport and reject their application without delay? You did not comment when a person fails to follow the process?

The asylum clause is being taken advantage of by people that will never meet the requirements of the Eligibility Requirements, never. I know Mexican nationals that have been here for decades on green cards that could not even in the slightest, even tell you who George Washington was, let alone pass a civics test. I have made it a point to ask them and I often ask them who the first president of Mexico was and most can't answer that question. Do me a favor, step out side your bubble and actually go out in the real world and go to a area where the illegal and working class legal immigrants live and work and ask them, at least the ones that speak English; unless you know Spanish.

So given this is a reasonable path to citizenship, in your opinion, is failing to meet these requirements a reasonable path to deportation?

[Markk]

Kish: I don't subscribe to the fantasy that we can have a humane society without human labor to achieve it. If that is your starting position, you are living in a dystopian fantasy. Human judges are necessary for just human judgment. I don't believe in the automation of justice. No robocop for me.

The point is that the system does no work, it is a drain on the system. More of draining system does not make sense, and we can't afford it. We need to allows Judges to judicate quickly without years of delays by lawyers.

As an example of what you pasted as a reasonable path to citizenship, if after it is found that the applicant has failed, they should be removed, right?

I did not in way say to eliminate the judicial system, but it needs to be reformed, as the recent arrest of federal judges harboring/or obstructing arrest of illegal immigrants, even gang members and one accused of battery, and had been ordered to be deported 2 years earlier.

As an example, according to the reasonable path to citizenship you pasted, it reads "English Language Skills: You must be able to read, write, and speak basic English." So after five years if they come before the immigration court, and need a paid court appointed, tax payer funded interpreter, they failed that portion of the application....what then Kish? Should it be dragged on by lawyers for three years before the judge can decide the case? Again it need to be reformed.

My point here is two things, we need to speed up the system and not burden the taxpayers with more judges spending 3 years or more deciding cases that should be decided in short order.

And that you are really not in favor of following the requirements for citizenship you pasted. If a person from a different country, comes across the border without application, do you have an issue with immediate deportation?

[Markk]

Kish: What was it about the pre-Trump path to deportation that was unreasonable?

It is also the current Trump path....he is simply enforcing it, and moving toward reform.

1.Good moral character: This means having a clean criminal record and demonstrating good character throughout your application process.

So again, Trump deporting those that failed here is a good thing right? As an example Abrego Garcia, aside from his being a gang member failed on several requirements of the application you are alluding too. Maybe the first being he did not apply and the second he beat the crap out of his wife.

[Some Schmo]

It's remarkable how many words some people write to rationalize what's obviously simpleminded racism.

[Markk]

Kish:I think you want to shortcut and thus undermine for convenience and to save money. You think people don't deserve to be paid for work unless you personally value it (and you are frankly not farsighted enough to make those decisions). You don't want to pay to have civilization. You want to undermine civilization so you can pay lower taxes. Libertarian fantasies are fantasies. They do not work. On our current path, the US is turning into something like an unregulated prison environment. Force and violence rule, and there effectively no actual law unless the strong decree it to be so.

That is just nonsense. We have a system that works for people that follow the system. There are countless productive applicant that follow the system. My PA, who I sits next to in my field office most every working day is a Palestinian, and he follows the requirements of the application. Sitting across form me is a kid (30 years old) that I have ben mentoring for almost 7 years, who is from Mexico and is now a citizen because he followed the requirements of the application. He has saved almost enough money for a down payment on a home, and is living the American dream, the right way.

It is not nuclear science to determine who is in the country legally and following the requirements and who is not Kisk. How is dealing with criminals and folks here that do not follow the very path to citizenship, you just championed? If any one is living in a prison type of environment it is those being intimidated by the criminal elements of illegal immigration and a system that encourages ever growing almost black market types of communities that are hard to explain if you have not seen and worked in these areas

You are so out of touch with the real world Kish. You were understandable upset with the active shooter on your campus, but only because it penetrated your bubble. I suggest you spend some time in the communities where what you experienced is a everyday sort of thing. let me guess you live in a gated community? I would love to have just one day with you here in So CA, to drive you around and show you the realities of illegal immigration. You have a standing offer for that if you are ever this way. I'll buy you breakfast, lunch, and dinner.

[Markk]

It's remarkable how many words some people write to rationalize what's obviously simpleminded racism.

Hey schmo, how did you guys do it the draft?

You are more than welcome to jump in, and offer your opinions and solutions beyond just hating on people.

[canpakes]

Sitting across form me is a kid (30 years old) that I have ben mentoring for almost 7 years, who is from Mexico and is now a citizen because he followed the requirements of the application. He has saved almost enough money for a down payment on a home, and is living the American dream, the right way.

The point that you have continued to dodge over and over is: what would have prevented either of your two work associates from being deported a week before they received their notification of citizenship, if that decision was made outside of our laws and due process, and because Trump needed some bodies to fill the ICE van in front of those TV cameras?

You’re telling us ‘if you just follow the rules…’, while also claiming that immigration judges aren’t needed and that we can and should deport anyone who has been following the rules, or issued TPS.

[Markk]

Only treat undocumented people as dangerous criminals if they are in fact dangerous criminals. Due process for every person who is in the US, as the Constitution guarantees. You can't claim to follow the Constitution and then flagrantly violate it as a matter of regular policy.

Kish, according to the reasonable path to citizenship the requirements, you pasted, the requirements are clear, so what is a dangerous illegal criminal as opposed to a non dangerous illegal criminal? What criminal acts should, in your opinion, be allowed and overlooked as compared to what you perceive as dangerous?

In regard to the constitution , there are amendments and clauses within it, there are acts that allow actions, you do seem to be ignoring these.

[Kishkumen]

And either do you. Everyone but the majority of Americans are not being terrorized, not even remotely. We do that very bad people are being removed from our country that have been taking advantage of us, which is not terrorism in any context but your exaggerated melodrama and ad hom personality and worldview.

If they are not paying attention, perhaps. The abandonment of the rule of law in favor of the rule of Trump is a terror tactic. Legal residents and citizens have been swept up in this deportation scheme without due process. Trump has expressed the desire for Bukele to build five more facilities to start shipping citizens to El Salvador. All of this is wildly illegal and unconstitutional. If you are not deeply concerned, you are a dullard.

And when folks take advantage of this, is it unreasonable to deport and reject their application without delay? You did not comment when a person fails to follow the process?

Take advantage how? Look if there are resources to facilitate a fair process and people do not follow it, then they are not entitled to stay.

The asylum clause is being taken advantage of by people that will never meet the requirements of the Eligibility Requirements, never.

Evidence, please?

I know Mexican nationals that have been here for decades on green cards that could not even in the slightest, even tell you who George Washington was, let alone pass a civics test. I have made it a point to ask them and I often ask them who the first president of Mexico was and most can't answer that question. Do me a favor, step out side your bubble and actually go out in the real world and go to a area where the illegal and working class legal immigrants live and work and ask them, at least the ones that speak English; unless you know Spanish.

I don't know why that concerns you. Knowing who George Washington is does not seem to have helped you in the slightest. Legality aside, I would rather have a decent, hardworking Mexican with a green card who does not know the first thing about George Washington as a neighbor than you. You are proof positive that knowing who George Washington is no guarantee you understand the importance of the Constitution. You don't seem to have the foggiest clue why the Constitution is crucial. You will happily set it aside for Trump authoritarianism.

So given this is a reasonable path to citizenship, in your opinion, is failing to meet these requirements a reasonable path to deportation?

My reasonable path to deportation is that anyone who is convicted of a felony can be deported. I think that is sufficiently tough. Right now people with outstanding parking tickets are being scooped up by the Trump-terror-goon squad, shoved in an unmarked van, and shipped to God-knows-where. But I know you don't give a crap.