All 7 Of Jacob Hansen's Siblings Have Left The Church

[I Have Questions]

IHAQ,

You mean MG the self-proclaimed missionary got caught lying again? I simply can’t believe it….

No. not at all. I’m fully expecting MG to provide the link to his previous mention of the DSM, and to provide the link to his reference source from which he has drawn the content of his post. Have a little more faith Brother Wang Chung.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

IHAQ,

You mean MG the self-proclaimed missionary got caught lying again? I simply can’t believe it….

No. not at all. I’m fully expecting MG to provide the link to his previous mention of the DSM, and to provide the link to his reference source from which he has drawn the content of his post. Have a little more faith Brother Wang Chung.

You're right. I should have more faith that MG will be honest. I shall reserve judgment on this issue until we hear from MG.

*BUMP* for MG

[MG 2.0]

IHAQ,

You mean MG the self-proclaimed missionary got caught lying again? I simply can’t believe it….

Oh.My.Gosh.

Lying? Wang, I haven't heard from you in a private message yet to show proof of whether or not you are lying in regards to knowing me in real life and to show proof that the nasty things you have said about me are indeed the truth.

What do you have to hide?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

IHAQ,

You mean MG the self-proclaimed missionary got caught lying again? I simply can’t believe it….

No. not at all. I’m fully expecting MG to provide the link to his previous mention of the DSM, and to provide the link to his reference source from which he has drawn the content of his post. Have a little more faith Brother Wang Chung.

Prompt: Are these found as psychological problems issues to be dealt with in the DSM?

The psychological patterns you described-passive-aggressive behavior, emotional manipulation, attention-seeking behavior, and pathological or compulsive lying-are all recognized in clinical psychology, but their status in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) varies:

Passive-Aggressive Behavior

Passive-aggressive personality disorder (also called negativistic personality disorder) was previously included in earlier editions of the DSM (DSM-III and DSM-IV) as a proposed disorder, characterized by indirect expression of hostility, procrastination, stubbornness, and covert obstructionism

However, it is no longer recognized as a distinct, diagnosable disorder in the DSM-5. Instead, passive-aggressive traits are considered as part of broader personality pathology or as symptoms that may appear in other personality disorders

Passive-aggressive behaviors can still be clinically significant, but they are not a standalone diagnosis in current DSM criteria.

Emotional Manipulation

Emotional manipulation itself is not a specific diagnosis in the DSM. However, manipulative behaviors are common features in several personality disorders, especially in the Cluster B group (e.g., borderline, narcissistic, antisocial, and histrionic personality disorders)

For example, borderline personality disorder (BPD) and narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) often involve manipulative interpersonal strategies, but manipulation is not a disorder by itself

Attention-Seeking Behavior

Attention-seeking behavior is a prominent feature of certain personality disorders, especially histrionic personality disorder (HPD), which is listed in the DSM-5 as a Cluster B personality disorder

Borderline personality disorder can also involve attention-seeking due to emotional instability and fear of abandonment

Like manipulation, attention-seeking is not a standalone disorder but a symptom or trait within broader personality disorders

Pathological or Compulsive Lying

Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica) is not a distinct diagnosis in the DSM-5

However, deceitfulness and chronic lying are symptoms or traits found in several personality disorders, particularly antisocial, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders

The DSM-5 and ICD-11 include pathological lying as a trait (e.g., "deceitfulness" in the Antagonism domain), but not as a separate disorder.
Perplexity A.I.

What is true is that in Wang's posts he shows indications of problematic behaviors in each of these four areas.

IHQ, do you have any idea why Mr. Wang has failed repeatedly to communicate with me, one on one, in a private message to show/prove to me that he has not lied in regards to saying that he knows me in real life and has an intimate knowledge of who I am and my personality characteristics?

Do you not have a concern that he might be a habitual liar?

If you don't, I find that in and of itself concerning.

This could be the start of a 'he said this and he said this' back and forth. I don't want to play that game. It's a waste of my time.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

No. not at all. I’m fully expecting MG to provide the link to his previous mention of the DSM, and to provide the link to his reference source from which he has drawn the content of his post. Have a little more faith Brother Wang Chung.

Prompt: Are these found as psychological problems issues to be dealt with in the DSM?

The psychological patterns you described-passive-aggressive behavior, emotional manipulation, attention-seeking behavior, and pathological or compulsive lying-are all recognized in clinical psychology, but their status in the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders) varies:

Passive-Aggressive Behavior

Passive-aggressive personality disorder (also called negativistic personality disorder) was previously included in earlier editions of the DSM (DSM-III and DSM-IV) as a proposed disorder, characterized by indirect expression of hostility, procrastination, stubbornness, and covert obstructionism

However, it is no longer recognized as a distinct, diagnosable disorder in the DSM-5. Instead, passive-aggressive traits are considered as part of broader personality pathology or as symptoms that may appear in other personality disorders

Passive-aggressive behaviors can still be clinically significant, but they are not a standalone diagnosis in current DSM criteria.

Emotional Manipulation

Emotional manipulation itself is not a specific diagnosis in the DSM. However, manipulative behaviors are common features in several personality disorders, especially in the Cluster B group (e.g., borderline, narcissistic, antisocial, and histrionic personality disorders)

For example, borderline personality disorder (BPD) and narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) often involve manipulative interpersonal strategies, but manipulation is not a disorder by itself

Attention-Seeking Behavior

Attention-seeking behavior is a prominent feature of certain personality disorders, especially histrionic personality disorder (HPD), which is listed in the DSM-5 as a Cluster B personality disorder

Borderline personality disorder can also involve attention-seeking due to emotional instability and fear of abandonment

Like manipulation, attention-seeking is not a standalone disorder but a symptom or trait within broader personality disorders

Pathological or Compulsive Lying

Pathological lying (also called pseudologia fantastica) is not a distinct diagnosis in the DSM-5

However, deceitfulness and chronic lying are symptoms or traits found in several personality disorders, particularly antisocial, narcissistic, and histrionic personality disorders

The DSM-5 and ICD-11 include pathological lying as a trait (e.g., "deceitfulness" in the Antagonism domain), but not as a separate disorder.
Perplexity A.I.

What is true is that in Wang's posts he shows indications of problematic behaviors in each of these four areas.

IHQ, do you have any idea why Mr. Wang has failed repeatedly to communicate with me, one on one, in a private message to show/prove to me that he has not lied in regards to saying that he knows me in real life and has an intimate knowledge of who I am and my personality characteristics?

Do you not have a concern that he might be a habitual liar?

If you don't, I find that in and of itself concerning.

This could be the start of a 'he said this and he said this' back and forth. I don't want to play that game. It's a waste of my time.

Regards,
MG

Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about.

I cannot find the previous reference to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders that you say you have made. Please can you point me in the right direction? Also, do you have a link to your DSM source?

Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

[huckelberry]

Yes. So much so that as my testimony began to falter, I became suicidal when I could not seem to get the Heavens to communicate with me. For a full year, I got up every morning and willed myself to keep believing, even though the facts did not support such a belief. I lost my marriage, many friendships, and the equivalent of many, many days of time trying to recover that testimony. All I could think at the time was that there was something seriously wrong with me or that I was engaging in some terrible sin (neither was true) because I couldn't get an answer to a single prayer to reaffirm my belief in the Church's truth claims. When I finally admitted to myself that I didn't believe in the Church, it was less than an hour later that I could no longer justify belief in any form of a deity. Why? Because the Church had done such an excellent job of helping me pick apart any other religious belief system (I served my mission in Tennessee), that I realized every single one of them was filled with nonsense.

So, the next time you arrogantly affirm that "we" (as exmos) never actually believed, why don't you remember me and people like me who desperately wanted it to be true and then lost everything because we just couldn't believe it anymore. While you're at it, you can shove that condescending attitude about this topic straight up your ass. I, and I alone, am the sole expert on how strong my belief was and you have no business, whatsoever, telling my otherwise.

Vulnerability. That seems to be in short supply in these parts. Thank you for sharing your personal story.

May I follow up? When you said that you tried to "recover that testimony', what was that 'thing'...lack of a better word... which you believed you had that you then lost? You then use the word "reaffirm". Reaffirm what? Again, something you had? If you had something then lost it does that mean it never existed in the first place? I'm asking, truly wanting to know what your thought processes were. Did you later question your non-belief in the church because of what you had once had and apparently 'knew' it?

Regards,
MG

Mg I'm sure you thought your question was a pleasant invitation to communication but it is clear that from stig's comments he would naturally have felt it to be disrespectful abrasive and insensitive to what he actually said.

He would have thought, asked and answered, what the heck?

[Everybody Wang Chung]

I cannot find the previous reference to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders that you say you have made. Please can you point me in the right direction? Also, do you have a link to your DSM source? Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

IHAQ,

Please have faith in MG. Let's reserve judgment about MG's honesty and propensity to constantly lie, until we hear from him about his DSM source.

*BUMP* for MG

[MG 2.0]

What is true is that in Wang's posts he shows indications of problematic behaviors in each of these four areas.

IHQ, do you have any idea why Mr. Wang has failed repeatedly to communicate with me, one on one, in a private message to show/prove to me that he has not lied in regards to saying that he knows me in real life and has an intimate knowledge of who I am and my personality characteristics?

Do you not have a concern that he might be a habitual liar?

If you don't, I find that in and of itself concerning.

This could be the start of a 'he said this and he said this' back and forth. I don't want to play that game. It's a waste of my time.

Regards,
MG

Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about.

I cannot find the previous reference to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders that you say you have made. Please can you point me in the right direction? Also, do you have a link to your DSM source?

Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

Are you at an airport lounge "playing with me" as you did before? IHQ, you are an interesting character. All bluff and huff, and no personality or character.

Why do you not answer questions that come before you?

Are you hiding something?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Vulnerability. That seems to be in short supply in these parts. Thank you for sharing your personal story.

May I follow up? When you said that you tried to "recover that testimony', what was that 'thing'...lack of a better word... which you believed you had that you then lost? You then use the word "reaffirm". Reaffirm what? Again, something you had? If you had something then lost it does that mean it never existed in the first place? I'm asking, truly wanting to know what your thought processes were. Did you later question your non-belief in the church because of what you had once had and apparently 'knew' it?

Regards,
MG

Mg I'm sure you thought your question was a pleasant invitation to communication but it is clear that from stig's comments he would naturally have felt it to be disrespectful abrasive and insensitive to what he actually said.

He would have thought, asked and answered, what the heck?

I suppose it is what it is. Vulnerability is in short supply among some critics. Ask IHQ.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

What is true is that in Wang's posts he shows indications of problematic behaviors in each of these four areas...
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Hmmm. That’s a retrospective A.I. response to tour own original post that you wrote that I asked you the following two questions about.

I cannot find the previous reference to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders that you say you have made. Please can you point me in the right direction? Also, do you have a link to your DSM source?

Are you admitting you haven’t previously mentioned the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, and that the portrayal of your post as being drawn from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders was misleading?

I’ve stuck up for you in this one, backed your honesty, please don’t say you’ve let me down…

Wow. Not only did mg's 'retrospective response' NOT support his earlier assertion about his list, but he has now changed the issue--see his assertion "what IS true..."

This type of logical fallacy has recently been discussed here, under the name "the Motte-and-Bailey fallacy."

It's a shady technique to try to shift the argument off the original claim. It's yet another example of the intellectual dishonesty used by this poster.