Trump is not a fascist

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[Markk]

Carry on.

Due process, Markk.

So then you are not arguing that Abrego is a MS-13 member, as the two federal judges determined during his months of receiving his due process, when they decided he should be deported as a member of MS-13. And, that after that portion of his due process, his lawyer in the due process process petitioned for, and was granted protection as a gang member, because.... if returned to his country would be in danger from opposing gangs. I guess your argument is that his due process was not completed when he was deported....is that fair?

[Markk]

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LOL, like I wrote there was a time when you could actually present and defend an argument....no more for sure.

[Jersey Girl]

Jersey Girl, let me add this to the list,

Markk, driving without luggage, wearing extremely popular headwear, being found in the vicinity of someone that might be a gang member and claiming that you think that you saw someone toss something under a car that strangely couldn’t be located aren’t grounds for ignoring due process. Nor is carrying ‘large amount of cash’; just ask Kristi Noem about that one.

These sorts of things can’t bother you too much if you’re happy to vote in as President a man with 34 fraud convictions, who has also been in court for sexual abuse and housing discrimination. You still idolize that guy. : D

Is he still commenting to me? Save it for someone else, buddy.

[Bret Ripley]

I guess your argument is that his due process was not completed when he was deported....

Dude: he was literally deported to a country to which it was not legal to send him. That's not an argument -- it's just a fact.

There is no question that his rights were violated. The only reason this is an issue at all is that we have folks -- a group that unfortunately seems to include you -- who think that certain classes of people are undeserving of the rights enjoyed by "our" class of people. Arguments about why this is OK based on speculation about Garcia's character -- regardless of whether those speculations are correct or not -- are just excuses as to why you think it's OK to ignore the rule of law as a matter of convenience. Not to put too fine a point on it, it is inescapably immoral.

[Jersey Girl]

I guess your argument is that his due process was not completed when he was deported....

Dude: he was literally deported to a country to which it was not legal to send him. That's not an argument -- it's just a fact.

There is no question that his rights were violated. The only reason this is an issue at all is that we have folks -- a group that unfortunately seems to include you -- who think that certain classes of people are undeserving of the rights enjoyed by "our" class of people. Arguments about why this is OK based on speculation about Garcia's character -- regardless of whether those speculations are correct or not -- are just excuses as to why you think it's OK to ignore the rule of law as a matter of convenience. Not to put too fine a point on it, it is inescapably immoral.

Markk doesn't know what due process is or how to apply it in this case. True fact.

[Moksha]

What kind of "not a Fascist" would put a hit out on PBS and Sesame Street? Only a Fascist MAGAhead would do that.

We have yet to see the full evil of Trump!!!

[Markk]

I guess your argument is that his due process was not completed when he was deported....

Dude: he was literally deported to a country to which it was not legal to send him. That's not an argument -- it's just a fact.

There is no question that his rights were violated. The only reason this is an issue at all is that we have folks -- a group that unfortunately seems to include you -- who think that certain classes of people are undeserving of the rights enjoyed by "our" class of people. Arguments about why this is OK based on speculation about Garcia's character -- regardless of whether those speculations are correct or not -- are just excuses as to why you think it's OK to ignore the rule of law as a matter of convenience. Not to put too fine a point on it, it is inescapably immoral.

He is a citizen of El Salvador, and was deported to El Salvador, I think you have MS-13 mixed up with TDA.

There is certainly a question. It is a question that the the Supreme Court will hear sooner or later. AEA is a law, and the question will be whether or not the President has the right to invoke it. The the Supreme Court asked Trump to facilitate Gracias return, which was denied by Gracias president. And the court asked the lower court for

Garcia is an admitted illegal alien, he was given due process and two federal judges gave orders do deport him as a self admitted illegal immigrant, and as a member of MS-13. The protection clause allowed him to stay here, but did not erase the fact that he was illegally here, or member of MS-13. The reason he was given protection, is because he was a member of MS-13, and deporting him to his own country, according to him and his lawyer, would put him in danger with other gangs like Barrio 18.

He was sent home, is because MS-13 and other gangs were named Terrorist organizations by Trump, and by executive power invoked the AEM.

This is what is factual, and well documented.

What is also very well documented, and factual, is that Garcia often beat his American wife, and punched her in the face, and caused emotional trauma to her children, which in its self is domestic violence, and a violation of their civil rights and a crime.

What is immoral, in your opinion, about deporting Garcia? What is Immoral about deporting any illegal immigrant? The larger question is, are borders immoral in your opinion?

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Due process, Markk.

So then you are not arguing that Abrego is a MS-13 member, …

Nope, not arguing that he is or is not a gang member. Not only has that not been ‘proven’, but there is no federal law against being a gang member anyway.

… as the two federal judges determined during his months of receiving his due process,

There was no definitive conclusion by judges.

By the way, did I mention that there’s no federal law criminalizing ‘being a gang member’?

… when they decided he should be deported as a member of MS-13.

Except that it has never been definitively proven that he is a member of any gang.

Oh, and there’s no law that makes ‘being a gang member’ in and of itself a criminal offense.

And, that after that portion of his due process, his lawyer in the due process process petitioned for, and was granted protection…

Yes, that happened.

… as a gang member,

No part of the order mentions anything about gang status. Not that it would have mattered; the Feds can’t arrest you for ‘being a gang member’.

Did you set up that eye exam with ajax, yet?

…if returned to his country would be in danger from opposing gangs.

Gangs in general, perhaps. If you don’t knuckle under to what a gang wants, they may kill you. Seems that he’d be pretty safe in El Salvador as a member of a gang because his fellow homies would help protect him and his family. Maybe he wasn’t actually in a gang, then?

I guess your argument is that his due process was not completed when he was deported....is that fair?

My argument is that we should not ignore due process and court orders for temporary stays because of the need to score political points with a certain rabid portion of the voting population that thinks that immigrants are always bad and the cause of all of our problems.

You, on the other hand, seem perfectly willing to ignore due process if it appeases your candidate of choice.

[Bret Ripley]

Dude: he was literally deported to a country to which it was not legal to send him. That's not an argument -- it's just a fact.

There is no question that his rights were violated. The only reason this is an issue at all is that we have folks -- a group that unfortunately seems to include you -- who think that certain classes of people are undeserving of the rights enjoyed by "our" class of people. Arguments about why this is OK based on speculation about Garcia's character -- regardless of whether those speculations are correct or not -- are just excuses as to why you think it's OK to ignore the rule of law as a matter of convenience. Not to put too fine a point on it, it is inescapably immoral.

He is a citizen of El Salvador, and was deported to El Salvador, I think you have MS-13 mixed up with TDA.

You don't know what you are talking about. You might consider fixing that.

What is immoral, in your opinion, about deporting Garcia?

It is how and to where he was deported that make it immoral, not the bare fact that he was deported. Was it lost on you that the administration immediately admitted it was a mistake?

Look, you already know he was specifically not to be deported to El Salvador. There can be no moral justification for sending him there.

What is Immoral about deporting any illegal immigrant?

I didn't say deporting illegal immigrants is immoral. In fact, I'm sure there are perfectly moral ways to deport illegal immigrants.

The larger question is, are borders immoral in your opinion?

Of course not. What a silly thing to suggest.

As a suggestion: maybe pay attention to what people actually say, rather than what your media-of-choice tell you other people think. Try to be better than that.