Calling it "Politically Motivated"

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Another excellent book I have recently read is: The Echo Machine, How Right-Wing Extremism Creates a Post Truth America, by David Packman. I wish everyone would read this book.

One of my favorite passages from the book, on page 28:
The last two decades have witnessed a concerted effort from certain segments of the Republican Party to downplay the value of critical thinking. This strategy, whether overt or subtle, serves a dual purpose: it solidifies base support and undermines institutions that promote critical thought, such as academia. The "liberal indoctrination" narrative not only discredits educational institutions but also paints intellectualism and critical thinking as enemies of so-called traditional values. This anti-intellectual sentiment feeds into a broader narrative where experts such as scientists, economists, or educators are viewed with inherent suspicion. Under MAGA Trumpism, it has become a point of pride not to trust actual experts, instead supporting and trusting a cadre of nonexperts who compete with those bringing actual knowledge of the subject under discussion.
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Markk wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 10:30 pm
I am not sure what your field of study is Icelandic peatmoss, and your dissertation was about whether it was actually a moss or a lichen.
Silly Markk. It’s a moss. Otherwise it would be called peat lichen. ; )

Now, don’t get sloppy and forget that there’s a space between peat and moss. The Bryophyta folks would not be happy with that.
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Re: Calling it "Politically Motivated"

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Gunnar wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 10:36 pm
Another excellent book I have recently read is: The Echo Machine, How Right-Wing Extremism Creates a Post Truth America, by David Packman. I wish everyone would read this book.

One of my favorite passages from the book, on page 28:
The last two decades have witnessed a concerted effort from certain segments of the Republican Party to downplay the value of critical thinking. This strategy, whether overt or subtle, serves a dual purpose: it solidifies base support and undermines institutions that promote critical thought, such as academia. The "liberal indoctrination" narrative not only discredits educational institutions but also paints intellectualism and critical thinking as enemies of so-called traditional values. This anti-intellectual sentiment feeds into a broader narrative where experts such as scientists, economists, or educators are viewed with inherent suspicion. Under MAGA Trumpism, it has become a point of pride not to trust actual experts, instead supporting and trusting a cadre of nonexperts who compete with those bringing actual knowledge of the subject under discussion.
Well Gunner, Critical thought is important. I learned a deep and important lesson about critical thought in my deconstruction from Mormonism. That said in regard to our conversation.

I concede that the GOP uses dark money (superPACs) as a means to an end for their interests, as you asserted. And applying critical thought, in looking at the bigger picture, I showed you the democrats received double the dark monies. I am sorry but the right, and the left, are whores, they take money from wealthy folks, via lobbyists and superPAC's,, and then become rich themselves.

When you asserted and then confirmed that judges taking monies from billionaires/millionaires for trips was a bribe, thinking that only GOP appointed judges did this. But when I pointed out Ruth Bader Ginsburg led all judges in taking monies for trips a few years back when she was alive, and that Whitehouse himself took almost 1 million from superPACs....you bailed out of the conversation. Obviously not being able to take a criticle look at what is just true.

So where is critical thought with you? I bought a book I would normally not purchase and read so I could be open and honest with your assertions, and I am listening to a over 30 episode series for the same reason. Then when I bring up questions that contradict, or show hypocrisies what reading and seeing....you again bail out when having to test your assertions.

Very few liberals here will dare step out of their testimony of the left wing party, and follow some of these issues out to a logical end.
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Markk wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 2:55 am
But when I pointed out Ruth Bader Ginsburg led all judges in taking monies for trips a few years back when she was alive, …
This is a peculiar choice of wording that looks to obfuscate the actual issue of reporting travel - in and of itself not unusual for SC Justices depending upon their obligations - as either gifts or reimbursements.

For reference:

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/202 ... tions.html

It wouldn’t be correct to invent a new and squishy phrase (‘taking money for trips’) to try to bury the problem, any more so than I should characterize your own business-related travel expense reimbursements with that same squishy description.
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Gunnar wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 9:28 pm
How any reasonable people who are not already immensely wealthy (or even if they are) can possibly think that giving the wealthiest of the wealthy enormous tax cuts at the expense of cutting social security and health benefits to the least wealthy and most marginalized, and increasing the already enormous gap between the wealthy and the poorest of us is somehow a worthy idea or in any way just or moral completely boggles my mind! If this isn't insanely cruel and unjust, I don't know what is!
Yeah, I don't get it. I don't know why there is any need for any one person in any society to have more than a billion dollars. A society that hands the lion's share of its community benefits to one percent or less of its citizens is a sick society. The people supporting this regime are deranged.
Gunnar wrote:
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Another excellent book I have recently read is: The Echo Machine, How Right-Wing Extremism Creates a Post Truth America, by David Packman. I wish everyone would read this book.
David Pakman is my favorite news commentator. He is clear about who he is. Honest about his positions. Fair in his analysis of the news. Everyone should watch or read Pakman.
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Markk wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 10:30 pm
LOl, Have you ever read your own posts Kish? Classic. You come across as a person that is highly frustrated with your own existence, and failures in your academic pursuits. I am not sure what your field of study is, Icelandic peatmoss maybe, and your dissertation was about whether it was actually a moss or a lichen. I will guess you are also upset about having to sit at the little kids table, wanting to be recognized as an LDS apologist. Your failed podcast didn't help that I suppose, or Dr. Scratch putting it in his top ten happenings in LDS apologetics....what was it called again "whine with Kish?" My guess is that you found out a podcast is actually hard work, and to succeed, you might actually have to know what you are talking about and offer up something that is not about you and your insecure feelings.
LOL!!! Wow. What a revealing meltdown, Markk. I guess I really got under your skin this time! You should learn to toughen up since you insist on being publicly stupid every day.
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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 1:28 pm
Gunnar wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 10:36 pm
Another excellent book I have recently read is: The Echo Machine, How Right-Wing Extremism Creates a Post Truth America, by David Packman. I wish everyone would read this book.
David Pakman is my favorite news commentator. He is clear about who he is. Honest about his positions. Fair in his analysis of the news. Everyone should watch or read Pakman.
I share your opinion of him. And I have the same admiration for Brian Tyler Cohen.
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Re: Calling it "Politically Motivated"

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Kishkumen wrote:
Fri May 23, 2025 1:31 pm
Markk wrote:
Wed May 21, 2025 10:30 pm
LOl, Have you ever read your own posts Kish? Classic. You come across as a person that is highly frustrated with your own existence, and failures in your academic pursuits. I am not sure what your field of study is, Icelandic peatmoss maybe, and your dissertation was about whether it was actually a moss or a lichen. I will guess you are also upset about having to sit at the little kids table, wanting to be recognized as an LDS apologist. Your failed podcast didn't help that I suppose, or Dr. Scratch putting it in his top ten happenings in LDS apologetics....what was it called again "whine with Kish?" My guess is that you found out a podcast is actually hard work, and to succeed, you might actually have to know what you are talking about and offer up something that is not about you and your insecure feelings.
LOL!!! Wow. What a revealing meltdown, Markk. I guess I really got under your skin this time! You should learn to toughen up since you insist on being publicly stupid every day.
No, I am just pointing out if you want to call each other names we can. It is up to you. Go back and read your posts, and just how void they are of any real content, other than ad homs. You get in debates with folks, say dumb things, and then just fall back to ad homs, that is your SOP.

If you like we can go through what I wrote and you can comment on them. Or I'll just point it out as you post, I don't think you can help yourself.
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Markk wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 2:48 am
No, I am just pointing out if you want to call each other names we can. It is up to you. Go back and read your posts, and just how void they are of any real content, other than ad homs. You get in debates with folks, say dumb things, and then just fall back to ad homs, that is your SOP.

If you like we can go through what I wrote and you can comment on them. Or I'll just point it out as you post, I don't think you can help yourself.
Sure, Markk. We believe you. You spent a helluva lot of time unloading on me because, well, you are sore. It's OK.

Look, Markk, as most of us know by now, there is no cure for whatever reasoning deficiencies you have. We can reason with you all day, and it is not going to change a thing. You are the ideal mark (pun intended) for con artists, corrupt authoritarians, and oligarchs. At one point, you came to the unremarkable (pun intended) conclusion that the LDS Church had not been straight with you, and from that point on you have felt full of yourself with pride. Congratulations, Markk. I hope that makes you feel a little soothed.
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Re: Calling it "Politically Motivated"

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Kishkumen wrote:
Mon May 26, 2025 2:55 pm
Markk wrote:
Sat May 24, 2025 2:48 am
No, I am just pointing out if you want to call each other names we can. It is up to you. Go back and read your posts, and just how void they are of any real content, other than ad homs. You get in debates with folks, say dumb things, and then just fall back to ad homs, that is your SOP.

If you like we can go through what I wrote and you can comment on them. Or I'll just point it out as you post, I don't think you can help yourself.
Sure, Markk. We believe you. You spent a helluva lot of time unloading on me because, well, you are sore. It's OK.

Look, Markk, as most of us know by now, there is no cure for whatever reasoning deficiencies you have. We can reason with you all day, and it is not going to change a thing. You are the ideal mark (pun intended) for con artists, corrupt authoritarians, and oligarchs. At one point, you came to the unremarkable (pun intended) conclusion that the LDS Church had not been straight with you, and from that point on you have felt full of yourself with pride. Congratulations, Markk. I hope that makes you feel a little soothed.
LOl...again ad homs is all you have. If you need an excuse why you can't ever keep up with a conversation, in an objective way....fine. You think I hate you or dis like you I guess, I don't have time for that in my life. I try to have conversations with you and it just ends up with you getting upset and calling me names.

It is just the way it is I suppose.
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