Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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“Religion isn’t just going away, it’s transforming,” Schnabel told PsyPost. “People aren’t just becoming secular due to reason or rationality — though they can definitely be relevant — they’re becoming fed up with religious organizations based on faith traditions that taught them to love others, care about more than money, and be moral and ethical people of integrity.”

“But then sometimes they don’t see the organizations living up to those values and they leave the organization but not always the faith tradition. Or they leave the faith tradition and they explore other ways of being people of integrity, often, though certainly not always, through spirituality.”

To understand these trends more fully, the researchers analyzed interview data from 54 participants whose religious involvement had significantly declined over the decade. These interviews revealed a recurring theme: many young people left institutional religion not because they stopped caring about spirituality, but because they felt a growing disconnect between their personal values and the teachings or practices of religious organizations. They spoke of churches that felt judgmental, hypocritical, or out of touch—particularly on issues of gender and sexuality. Participants described feeling alienated by institutions that seemed to limit, rather than support, their pursuit of authenticity, justice, and self-understanding.
https://www.psypost.org/millennials-are ... -into-why/

A very interesting study that challenges the traditional narrative that apologists like DCP like to push. If you’ll recall, DCP has a lot of faith that people who leave the church either do so to sin, or do so because they lack the fortitude to follow the commandments.

But when you actually examine the data, it turns out that people aren’t happy giving their money and time to organized religions that don’t know how to practice being Christlike.

Turns out when religious institutions worship money, butt into the personal lives of non believers, and preach intolerance, the younger members walk out. Who woulda thunk it?
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Isn't the new catch phrase, it use to be people left Mormonism because it wasn't true now it is because it isn't good?
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Regarding the LDS Church, I would like to see more of a support group and caring for others (especially those who need it). Kindness and caring make for a nicer world.

Much less emphasis on obedience to Mormon Authorities (especially when the obedience involves harsh judgment) and superstition.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 1:21 am
Regarding the LDS Church, I would like to see more of a support group and caring for others (especially those who need it). Kindness and caring make for a nicer world.

Much less emphasis on obedience to Mormon Authorities (especially when the obedience involves harsh judgment) and superstition.
So, you would like the LDS church to not be the LDS church?
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Marcus wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:36 am
So, you would like the LDS church to not be the LDS church?
I think Mormons are wonderful people. I would like to see them be wonderful on a supportive and caring level and not have leaders pull them to the Dark Side with hatred toward any downtrodden group of people or insistence that they maintain past weirdness based on a made-up set of scriptures.

If the Community of Christ can make that leap, so can the Brighamite church.

Theoretically, Mormons could look back on their "Absurd Story Years" and say, There but for the Grace of Reason go I.
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Moksha wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:54 am
Marcus wrote:
Tue Jun 17, 2025 7:36 am
So, you would like the LDS church to not be the LDS church?
I think Mormons are wonderful people. I would like to see them be wonderful on a supportive and caring level and not have leaders pull them to the Dark Side with hatred toward any downtrodden group of people or insistence that they maintain past weirdness based on a made-up set of scriptures.

If the Community of Christ can make that leap, so can the Brighamite church.

Theoretically, Mormons could look back on their "Absurd Story Years" and say, There but for the Grace of Reason go I.
Many wonderful people already do that, having walked away from Omelas long ago. Rather than mourning the edifice, you could celebrate the ones who made the decision themselves.
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Rivendale wrote:
Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:03 pm
Isn't the new catch phrase, it use to be people left Mormonism because it wasn't true now it is because it isn't good?
Among some. For others that are active and believing members of the church it is the gospel of Jesus Christ itself that plays a very important part in transforming from the natural man to a more pure and holy vessel that God can work through and with.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:33 pm
Rivendale wrote:
Mon Jun 16, 2025 11:03 pm
Isn't the new catch phrase, it use to be people left Mormonism because it wasn't true now it is because it isn't good?
Among some. For others that are active and believing members of the church it is the gospel of Jesus Christ itself that plays a very important part in transforming from the natural man to a more pure and holy vessel that God can work through and with.

Regards,
MG
It hasn’t worked with you. You’re rude, you lie, you deceive, you bullied a dying person just for the hell if it. The gospel you say you believe in has not made you a better person. It’s made you a significantly worse individual. And the beauty is that people don’t need to take my word for it. You’ve splattered the evidence all over this board and its previous iteration.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:27 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:33 pm
Among some. For others that are active and believing members of the church it is the gospel of Jesus Christ itself that plays a very important part in transforming from the natural man to a more pure and holy vessel that God can work through and with.

Regards,
MG
It hasn’t worked with you. You’re rude, you lie, you deceive, you bullied a dying person just for the hell if it. The gospel you say you believe in has not made you a better person. It’s made you a significantly worse individual. And the beauty is that people don’t need to take my word for it. You’ve splattered the evidence all over this board and its previous iteration.
That's all you've got? When all else fails, you resort to over simplification and false accusations. Works every time. 😉

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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:27 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:33 pm
Among some. For others that are active and believing members of the church it is the gospel of Jesus Christ itself that plays a very important part in transforming from the natural man to a more pure and holy vessel that God can work through and with.

Regards,
MG
It hasn’t worked with you. You’re rude, you lie, you deceive, you bullied a dying person just for the hell if it. The gospel you say you believe in has not made you a better person. It’s made you a significantly worse individual. And the beauty is that people don’t need to take my word for it. You’ve splattered the evidence all over this board and its previous iteration.
Yes, a lifetime of Mormonism has done wonders for MG. MG is a perfect example of the fruits of Mormonism.

Keep up the great missionary work, MG.
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