Utah - friendly to strangers?

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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:40 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:56 am
Not to be disagreeable but I go up and down the I-15 and the I-80 and around through the towns and cities off the freeway and into the neighborhoods quite often. I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I've lived here a long time.

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Let’s look at facts rather than feelings
But, not only are Utah drivers bad at following the rules of the road, they have been ranked the “ third most confrontational” drivers in America. According to an article by Forbes, Utah drivers reported that 49.5% had been cut off on purpose, 42.5% had their car blocked from merging or changing lane, 54% received a rude or offensive gestures, 61.5% had been honked at with frustration, 64.5% had been tailgated, and 31.5% had been yelled at or insulted by another driver.
This certainly suggests Malkie’s lived experience is not the outlier…

And…
Anyone who has set wheels on I-15 — or any Utah road for that matter — won’t be surprised to hear that Utah placed No. 1 in QuoteWizard’s ranking of the worst drivers in the United States.
Youd have to be driving with your eyes shut not to notice the problem, apparently.

This suggests it’s been a very obvious problem, for a very long time…
A 2016 study ranked Utahns the worst drivers in America, and we’ve been in the bottom 10 every year since. What makes us such bad drivers? It’s not the traffic. A 2017 report placed Utah well below the national average for time spent in traffic congestion.
So, a very obvious problem, for a very long time. Given the overwhelming scale of the problem, and the supporting data above, I’m guessing the only people not noticing the problem would have to be the very worst of the culprits causing the problem.
Yeah, right. I'm not "the very worst of the culprits causing the problem". Sheesh. And my personal experience/observations stand.

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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:40 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:56 am
Not to be disagreeable but I go up and down the I-15 and the I-80 and around through the towns and cities off the freeway and into the neighborhoods quite often. I'm not seeing what you're seeing. I've lived here a long time.

Regards,
MG
Let’s look at facts rather than feelings
But, not only are Utah drivers bad at following the rules of the road, they have been ranked the “ third most confrontational” drivers in America. According to an article by Forbes, Utah drivers reported that 49.5% had been cut off on purpose, 42.5% had their car blocked from merging or changing lane, 54% received a rude or offensive gestures, 61.5% had been honked at with frustration, 64.5% had been tailgated, and 31.5% had been yelled at or insulted by another driver.
This certainly suggests Malkie’s lived experience is not the outlier…

And…
Anyone who has set wheels on I-15 — or any Utah road for that matter — won’t be surprised to hear that Utah placed No. 1 in QuoteWizard’s ranking of the worst drivers in the United States.
Youd have to be driving with your eyes shut not to notice the problem, apparently.

This suggests it’s been a very obvious problem, for a very long time…
A 2016 study ranked Utahns the worst drivers in America, and we’ve been in the bottom 10 every year since. What makes us such bad drivers? It’s not the traffic. A 2017 report placed Utah well below the national average for time spent in traffic congestion.
So, a very obvious problem, for a very long time. Given the overwhelming scale of the problem, and the supporting data above, I’m guessing the only people not noticing the problem would have to be the very worst of the culprits causing the problem.
This is anecdotal, but one of my close relatives did a cross country trip recently, starting at the East Coast. It was smooth sailing for several days, and we got great updates.

Shortly after crossing into Utah and getting on I-15, however, an aggressive driver drove them off the road and they had to be towed and have two tires replaced because of the damage.

So I agree, it's a very obvious problem.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:07 pm
Yeah, right. I'm not "the very worst of the culprits causing the problem". Sheesh. And my personal experience/observations stand.

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MG
Your observations don’t stand because there’s a mountain of evidence across a decade that refutes them. I’ve provided that evidence for you.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Marcus wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:44 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:40 am
Let’s look at facts rather than feelings
This certainly suggests Malkie’s lived experience is not the outlier…

And…

Youd have to be driving with your eyes shut not to notice the problem, apparently.

This suggests it’s been a very obvious problem, for a very long time…

So, a very obvious problem, for a very long time. Given the overwhelming scale of the problem, and the supporting data above, I’m guessing the only people not noticing the problem would have to be the very worst of the culprits causing the problem.
This is anecdotal, but one of my close relatives did a cross country trip recently, starting at the East Coast. It was smooth sailing for several days, and we got great updates.

Shortly after crossing into Utah and getting on I-15, however, an aggressive driver drove them off the road and they had to be towed and have two tires replaced because of the damage.

So I agree, it's a very obvious problem.
It’s very common it seems. Some people claim not to experience it, which suggests to me that they are the ones causing the problem.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:44 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:07 pm
Yeah, right. I'm not "the very worst of the culprits causing the problem". Sheesh. And my personal experience/observations stand.

Regards,
MG
Your observations don’t stand because there’s a mountain of evidence across a decade that refutes them. I’ve provided that evidence for you.
Ah, you are telling me that my own experience and what I've seen with my own eyes are meaningless? I suppose there is a lesson or hidden truth in there somewhere. 😉

Maybe I shouldn't be driving with my eyes closed. 😂 Otherwise I'd know the truth!

Hmm...maybe that's what I've been doing with my religious impulses over the years...

You are so insightful. Thanks you for helping me understand that I'm blind and unable to discern truth!

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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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What is interesting are the insights one can glean from what folks inadvertently 'give away'.

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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:45 pm
Marcus wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:44 pm
This is anecdotal, but one of my close relatives did a cross country trip recently, starting at the East Coast. It was smooth sailing for several days, and we got great updates.

Shortly after crossing into Utah and getting on I-15, however, an aggressive driver drove them off the road and they had to be towed and have two tires replaced because of the damage.

So I agree, it's a very obvious problem.
It’s very common it seems. Some people claim not to experience it, which suggests to me that they are the ones causing the problem.
You're not the only one to come to that conclusion.
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I've stated my experience for making the comparison. MG has stated his. I'm content to leave our bases to stand.

In this case, however, I have to say that I believe more information may well be better than less :D
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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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malkie wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:30 pm
I've stated my experience for making the comparison. MG has stated his. I'm content to leave our bases to stand.

In this case, however, I have to say that I believe more information may well be better than less :D
Add my experience, and I agree!
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Re: Utah - friendly to strangers?

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malkie wrote:
Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:30 pm
I've stated my experience for making the comparison. MG has stated his. I'm content to leave our bases to stand.

In this case, however, I have to say that I believe more information may well be better than less :D
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