Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:59 pm
Dr Exiled wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 4:30 pm
Impeach him! An impeachment will force us to come to terms with how our government has been taken over by a certain lobby that owes its allegiance to another country. It probably won't happen because too many democrats owe their allegiance to that lobby.
You’re not lyin’. AIPAC funds candidates Democratic primaries to unseat progressive, pro-Palestinian incumbents like Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman. I don’t know where I read it, but AIPAC focuses its efforts on Democrats because they have Republicans in their pockets. I can’t see a way forward with regard to how we can disengage ourselves from Israel’s complete and total control over our country. We’ve spent trillions in the Middle East, and I’m of the mind that it’s folly. I would’ve preferred seeing that directed toward debt reduction and domestic spending.

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This could be a way to bring everyone together. The Donald is too obvious in his lies and his worship of a small middle eastern foreign country and there is a split in MAGA that could be used to garner support for impeachment. However, Schumer and Rosen and other democrat senators are under the AIPAC spell. Even so, maybe getting rid of Bibi over there, where he barely is hanging on, and simultaneously impeaching Trump and making peace with Iran and stopping the genocide could help solve a lot. Israel is becoming a pariah despite all the laws criminalizing disagreement with the Israeli government.

Probably wishful thinking though ...
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Dr Exiled wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:13 pm
This could be a way to bring everyone together. The Donald is too obvious in his lies and his worship of a small middle eastern foreign country and there is a split in MAGA that could be used to garner support for impeachment. However, Schumer and Rosen and other democrat senators are under the AIPAC spell. Even so, maybe getting rid of Bibi over there, where he barely is hanging on, and simultaneously impeaching Trump and making peace with Iran and stopping the genocide could help solve a lot. Israel is becoming a pariah despite all the laws criminalizing disagreement with the Israeli government.

Probably wishful thinking though ...
Correct. Wishful thinking.

Although, Trump will paint our actions as pre-emptively protecting ourselves and will then follow that with defending Putin’s war against Ukraine for the claimed same reason. You may favor that, though. It does give Trump a reason to twist the knife in Ukraine’s back to gain increased support from MAGA voters while also appealing to the equivocation crowd.
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Iran is now attacking US bases in the region. We’re now officially in WW3.

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Dr Exiled wrote:
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Israel is becoming a pariah despite all the laws criminalizing disagreement with the Israeli government.
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I’m not a fan of another country having us by the short hairs like they do. Many Jewish-Americans in positions of influence have shown time and again they’re pro-Israel first, even at the expense of this country.

Note: I’d have the same criticism for anyone using us or our government to do its bidding, even if it hurts us in the long-run. This Iran thing is so obvious that I hope more Americans cool on the idea we unquestionably act on Israel’s behalf. It’s a terrible mistake.

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Many other Jewish-Americans are critical of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.
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Many other Jewish-Americans are critical of Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people.
Sure, but they didn’t get us into Iraq and now Iran, among other military engagements.
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By Trump's bombing of Iran, he has foolishly only renewed or accelerated Iran's determination to aquire nuclear weapons. He ignored the intelligence of his own intelligence agencies that concluded that Iran's was not yet prepared to do that.

Trump: ‘I don’t care’ that Tulsi Gabbard said Iran wasn’t close to having nuclear weapon
President Trump rejected his own director of national intelligence’s assessment of Iran’s nuclear capabilities in remarks as he returned from the Group of Seven summit in Alberta, Canada, a day early to weigh America’s response to escalating airstrikes between Israel and Iran.

Tulsi Gabbard testified before Congress in March that while Iran had an “unprecedented” stockpile of weapons-grade uranium, the country did not appear to be building a nuclear weapon.

“I don’t care what she said. I think they were very close to having one,” Trump told reporters on Air Force One in the wee hours of Tuesday morning in response to a direct question about Gabbard’s testimony.

The intelligence community, Gabbard said in March, “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program that he suspended in 2003.”

CNN reported Tuesday that American intelligence assessments continued to say Iran was not actively pursuing a nuclear weapon and was up to three years out from being able to launch one. Israel has claimed Iran was approaching a crucial tipping point for developing nuclear capabilities as justification for its airstrikes.

Trump’s remarks come as the White House weighs whether to wade into the conflict. While the United States could assist Israel in other ways, American “bunker-buster” bombs are believed to be necessary to significantly damage a key Iranian uranium enrichment plant that Israel is targeting.
Trump ignored the assessment of our own intelligence agencies in favor of Netanyahu's determination to get U.S. help to destroy targets in Iran beyond the capability of Israel's own military to destroy. Because of Trump's envy and admiration for Tyrants, like Netanyahu has increasingly become, he went along with it.

To make things even worse, even if he had destroyed Iran's chances of developing its own nuclear weapons (which is doubtful), Iran is still likely to acquire nuclear weapons because outrage over Trump's attacks has resulted in Many Nations Ready To Supply Iran With Their Nuclear Warheads: Top Putin Aide

Add to this the fact that many nations who have previously signed the Non-Nuclear Proliferation Treaty no longer feel safe because of promises not kept to some who have done so. One prominent example is Ukraine who was promised protection if they gave up their nuclear arms. That did not deter Russia from invading them. Consequently, more nations than ever are likely to abandon that treaty and develop their own nuclear weapons.
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:44 pm
Iran is now attacking US bases in the region. We’re now officially in WW3.

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Hey Dr. CamnPP, So, how's the whole World War 3 thing shaping up? Any updates on the chaos front? Is anyone ready to jump on the bandwagon to stop the not-so-great Americans from dropping bombs on Iran? What a complete goofball you've become!

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Hound of Heaven wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 11:15 pm
Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:44 pm
Iran is now attacking US bases in the region. We’re now officially in WW3.

- Doc
Hey Dr. CamnPP, So, how's the whole World War 3 thing shaping up? Any updates on the chaos front? Is anyone ready to jump on the bandwagon to stop the not-so-great Americans from dropping bombs on Iran? What a complete goofball you've become!

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If you want to see a real goofball, look in the mirror!
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