Trump Bombed Iranian Nuclear Site Fordo Today. Are We in WW 3?

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Notice how Heil of Hitler never backs up an assertion, never actually participates in a topical discussion, and is a one-trick dick when it comes to posting? Not that the pathetic incel behind the handle can do it, because he can’t, but there’s obviously more going on there. His insecurities disable him to such a degree in real life, that he’s fallen for the America First ‘movement’ (more like a club for the sexually frustrated), without even understanding the history of it - he’s just a little boy gooning his days away, marching in circles sieg heiling. Pathetic, and definitely a Mormon.

Eta: Here’s an article reference the history of the America First movement:

https://fpif.org/the-ugly-origins-of-tr ... st-policy/

I actually learned about this when I was touring the Hearst castle in California. A docent went on for some length about Hearst amplifying fascism in the US, and boosting Hitler’s profile with his readers. Anyway, it’s an interesting article if you want to take a moment to read it.

- Doc

[Gunnar]

Right on! As I said upthread, you have a much more comprehensive understanding of history than HoH.

[Kishkumen]

Sure, but they didn’t get us into Iraq and now Iran, among other military engagements.

Yep. I just think it is important to tread carefully when you criticize Israel and bring Jewish people into it. That is when accusations of anti-semitism start to fly, no matter how baseless they are. You can simply criticize Israel without mentioning Jewish people and that will get you accused. At all times, I like to emphasize that opposition to the state of Israel's policy in respect to Palestinians is not the same thing as opposition to Judaism and Jews. That is because it is not. I know you know all of that, but I am concerned for people involved in the criticism and tend to get slightly annoying about making this point in everyone's best interest.

[Kishkumen]

I sure as hell hope this is not a prelude to WWIII. The risk here is in the alliances. I wonder how many people truly believed that the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand signaled the beginning of a major European conflict.

May the Feast of St. Vitus pass without further incident.

[Gadianton]

The question for me, and I'm not ready to do an Internet scrape yet on this topic, how much of this was prompted by some general saying, "we've got to do this now!" and Trump listening, kind of like he listened on vaccines, and how much is prompted by orange irritability and spur-of-the-moment chest thumping. From what I understand, the strike was well-executed and without any accompanying White House buffoonery, suggesting the white house was going along with something rather than planning something. Further, Tulsi Gabbard, who is a Russian-Iran asset and quite possibly taking bribes from both countries, was adamant that there were no concerns to be had with Iran's nuclear program, which strikes me as an obvious lie by somebody on the payrolls of terrorists (a huge plus for many Republican voters who hate America).

So I admit that it's not a settled question in my mind as to the necessity or foolishness of this action. (MAGAs hypocrisy and Trump's accusations about other presidents which were prophecies about himself aside, there is a real state of the world here regarding Iran's nuclear program and the options for dealing with that as they exist today. what that is, I don't know.)

[Kishkumen]

The question for me, and I'm not ready to do an Internet scrape yet on this topic, how much of this was prompted by some general saying, "we've got to do this now!" and Trump listening, kind of like he listened on vaccines, and how much is prompted by orange irritability and spur-of-the-moment chest thumping. From what I understand, the strike was well-executed and without any accompanying White House buffoonery, suggesting the white house was going along with something rather than planning something. Further, Tulsi Gabbard, who is a Russian-Iran asset and quite possibly taking bribes from both countries, was adamant that there were no concerns to be had with Iran's nuclear program, which strikes me as an obvious lie by somebody on the payrolls of terrorists (a huge plus for many Republican voters who hate America).

So I admit that it's not a settled question in my mind as to the necessity or foolishness of this action. (MAGAs hypocrisy and Trump's accusations about other presidents which were prophecies about himself aside, there is a real state of the world here regarding Iran's nuclear program and the options for dealing with that as they exist today. what that is, I don't know.)

Our intelligence apparatus is complicated to the point of making it difficult to know what exactly to take away from Gabbard's claims and the message that "no one" in the intelligence community was warning that Iran was on the verge of attaining weapon's grade enrichment. I can tell you, as the son of a CIA guy, that plenty of people in the CIA advised against the invasion of Iraq, my dad did not believe it would happen because the advice against it was so clear, and he was very surprised when the CIA was simply ignored and the invasion occurred.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Right now, it appears the Israel-Iran ‘conflict’ is at an inflection point, it could go to a regional war or a shift toward deescalation. Iran's regional network of proxies is weakened, but Israel is struggling with international backlash over Gaza. So, who knows.

What’s not helpful is Trump's incoherent Middle East record, especially his unilateral withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. Despite Iran’s compliance and broad international support, he bombed them at Israel’s urging. That deal, the JCPOA, had effectively constrained Iran’s nuclear program through strict oversight and inspections, and pulling out of it turbocharged Iran’s enrichment efforts and helped destabilize the region. Trump’s incompetence empowered the worst actors, he has no grasp of the strategic landscape, and it would be a disaster if he were put back in charge of negotiations now. This isn't a time for False Social screeching coping in the middle of the night; it's a time for actual competence, which isn’t possible given him, his Veep, his Fox News Cabinet, and the torpid sycophants in his orbit.

What a crap show.

- Doc

[Kishkumen]

Damn humiliating on top of dangerous. Having a complete nincompoop as president is the worst.

[canpakes]

Notice how Heil of Hitler never backs up an assertion, never actually participates in a topical discussion, and is a one-trick dick when it comes to posting?

Yes. This was noticed some months back when he resurrected himself in this form, while you were away enjoying the trail. You can read his posting history and will come to a particular conclusion or two. ; )

[Gadianton]

Our intelligence apparatus is complicated to the point of making it difficult to know what exactly to take away from Gabbard's claims and the message that "no one" in the intelligence community was warning that Iran was on the verge of attaining weapon's grade enrichment. I can tell you, as the son of a CIA guy, that plenty of people in the CIA advised against the invasion of Iraq, my dad did not believe it would happen because the advice against it was so clear, and he was very surprised when the CIA was simply ignored and the invasion occurred.

That's very interesting. I've updated my opinion. I incorrectly thought that Gabbard had a very recent statement that Trump was contradicting, which doesn't seem to be the case. The more likely scenario is that the intelligence was in line with her comments and she could run with it. It also appears I was incorrect that there was no Whitehouse fumbling; well, that's wrong. The l_ in chief completely fumbled. I was not aware of the breadth of unhinged TS posting before the fact, giving Iran time to scramble in preparation. The damage to their nuclear program does not appear to be significant, which likely has caused l_ to cancel or delay his briefings to congress.

It appears l_ is the author of the strike, and that jealousy over the significant positive reaction Netanyahu had got over his strike from Fox News initially prompted him to chime in to take partial credit for it, but then he went on to steal the show for himself. Supporting this narrative is Marjorie Taylor-Greene coming out against Fox News for misleading the administration.

I still don't believe this is a trigger to WW3 or a super-conflict. I don't know where it goes from here.

With the facts I currently have, if I were to put on a red hat, I'd say the best argument for good that comes from it is the tactical reassessments enemies must perform faced with Trump rather than cooler heads. Terrorists are used to having the advantage of dealing with bureaucracies who play by rules and now they're up with an opponent who thinks like they do.