I Love America!

[Kishkumen]

Too bad your brain has been completely broken by severe TDS - I can help you free your mind from the bondage it's in, but it would take a significant amount of time and effort on my end to do so. Let me know if you're interested.

LOL. Geez, ceeboo. Give it a rest. Congratulations on predicting how terrible our situation would be as of 20 January, 2025.

[Dr Exiled]

What do you think about what's happening in Gaza? What do you think about Tulsi Gabbard saying in March that there wasn't a nuclear weapon program in Iran and her about face when Israel wanted to attack Iran? What about what Marjorie Taylor-Greene says about Trump failing MAGA by going against his no war campaign promises? Do you have a problem with Israel and AIPAC having an outsized influence on our foreign policy or do you think that is a thing? Would you like it if China decided that our government was corrupt and a danger to their way of life and then started bombing when we wouldn't give up our nukes? I'd also like to know if you believe that God wants us to support Israel no matter what they do. Finally, do you think our toppling of the Iranian government back in 1954 and installing the Shah and his murderous secret police because they wanted to keep the oil instead of letting the British and us to continue to exploit their resources has anything to do with why Iran isn't bowing down to our empire?

The elephant in the room (which many don't seem to want to discuss) is what Radical Islamists want to see happen to Israel (Jews) and America (Westerners).

Israel is an apartheid nuclear state that is in the middle of doing a genocide in Gaza and seems to have attacked Iran in order to take the focus off of the genocide. Year after year the greater Israel plan goes forward where Israel and the US push and kill Arabs and now Persians and the elephant in the room is the Islamists that fight back? If only we would stop bullying the populations over there for the oil, perhaps we would have peace. Perhaps if we stopped using Israel as the tip of our oil spear we would have peace over there? Perhaps if we acknowledged that Israel stole nuclear technology from us around the time Kennedy was president and that they won't allow inspections of their nuclear bombs and program and use that to bully the middle east, perhaps if we acknowledged all of that and sought to properly regulate Israel and stop with the bullying, then there would be peace?

I think really the solution is to stop letting Israel claim to be the victim and stop allowing them to leverage victimhood into offensive warmongering. I think that is the elephant in the room along with the fact that our press and our AIPAC controlled congress continually allow this misinformation to exist. But, unfortunately questioning Israel is akin to antisemitism and Trump is all too willing to forget free speech when it comes to Israel.

[ceeboo]

Israel is an apartheid nuclear state that is in the middle of doing a genocide in Gaza and seems to have attacked Iran in order to take the focus off of the genocide. Year after year the greater Israel plan goes forward where Israel and the US push and kill Arabs and now Persians and the elephant in the room is the Islamists that fight back?

It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!

[Kishkumen]

It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!

Out of curiosity, do you think it is inaccurate to characterize Israel's treatment of large segments of Israel's Palestinian population as a kind of apartheid given the fact that Israel severely curtails the freedom of Palestinians, seizes their homes and property with impunity, etc.?

I am scratching my head here.

Granted that there is no excuse for the October attacks of Hamas, but Israel's treatment of the Palestinian people looks pretty apartheid-like to me.

[canpakes]

Israel is an apartheid nuclear state that is in the middle of doing a genocide in Gaza and seems to have attacked Iran in order to take the focus off of the genocide. Year after year the greater Israel plan goes forward where Israel and the US push and kill Arabs and now Persians and the elephant in the room is the Islamists that fight back?

It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!

I have absolutely no tolerance for Hamas and their approach to the nation of Israel and their overarching goal to eliminate Israel from existence. That said, how the nation of Israel was carved out of an area that was commonly referred to as Palestine and that contained over 1.5 million residents of mixed faiths, and how the government of Israel has since promoted an ever-increasing number of additional ‘settlements’ that continually whittle away at what land remains for self-identified Palestinians to occupy, are real issues that must be a part of any honest intellectual discussion, as you would call it.

If that’s something that you cannot acknowledge, then you’re not ready for that honest intellectual discussion.

[Molok]

Israel is an apartheid nuclear state that is in the middle of doing a genocide in Gaza and seems to have attacked Iran in order to take the focus off of the genocide. Year after year the greater Israel plan goes forward where Israel and the US push and kill Arabs and now Persians and the elephant in the room is the Islamists that fight back?

It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!

I defy you to explain in a substantive way how one single word of that is BS.

[canpakes]

Whatever the case, it’s clear you’ve got a special kind of retarded charm.

Hound,

You ought to consider not using the term "retarded" as a personal insult to disparage someone - Among other things, it ignores the real and significant challenges that many people face who have this intellectual disability (as well as the many people who love those with this disability.)

Keeping it real.

That was a good example of a ‘tell’. : D

[Kishkumen]

That said, how the nation of Israel was carved out of an area that was commonly referred to as Palestine and that contained over 1.5 million residents of mixed faiths, and how the government of Israel has since promoted an ever-increasing number of additional ‘settlements’ that continually whittle away at what land remaines for self-identified Palestinians to occupy, are real issues that must be a part of any honest intellectual discussion, as you would call it.

If that’s something that you cannot acknowledge, then you’re not ready for that honest intellectual discussion.

It is odd to me how Hamas' existence becomes an excuse to justify Israel's apartheid policies. It is the ultimate yabut. Hamas cannot stand in for all Palestinian people as a justification for the criminal mistreatment of Palestinians.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

That said, how the nation of Israel was carved out of an area that was commonly referred to as Palestine and that contained over 1.5 million residents of mixed faiths, and how the government of Israel has since promoted an ever-increasing number of additional ‘settlements’ that continually whittle away at what land remaines for self-identified Palestinians to occupy, are real issues that must be a part of any honest intellectual discussion, as you would call it.

If that’s something that you cannot acknowledge, then you’re not ready for that honest intellectual discussion.

It is odd to me how Hamas' existence becomes an excuse to justify Israel's apartheid policies. It is the ultimate yabut. Hamas cannot stand in for all Palestinian people as a justification for the criminal mistreatment of Palestinians.

Weird how Hamas and Hezbollah fighting an existential war through any means available to them is terrorism, but Haganah, Irgun, Lehi killing around 6000 Arabs and various other civilians (to include the British) is never brought up. Funny how Jews, pre-Zionism owned around 6% percent of Palestine, but now own around 88% and that’s fine according to Jews and Christians.

Isn’t Zionism just another form of supremacism? I don’t know how the state of Israel could’ve been created better, but it seems the Zionists behind the British Mandate for Palestine have been maliciously screwing over the Arabs, or Palestinians, since the 19th and 20th centuries. And why have they got away with it? Because God chooooooooose them and the Arabs are less than the Chosen People, no?

There is no moral upside to this one. It’s wrong. And it’s become evil. Are we to expect that the Palestinians just give up and hope the Israelis will treat them as equals? We know, and they know, that’ll never happen; and it’s because of the supremacist idea that a god chooses them to be above everyone else. It’s awful.

- Doc

[Dr Exiled]

Israel is an apartheid nuclear state that is in the middle of doing a genocide in Gaza and seems to have attacked Iran in order to take the focus off of the genocide. Year after year the greater Israel plan goes forward where Israel and the US push and kill Arabs and now Persians and the elephant in the room is the Islamists that fight back?

It has been a while since I have read that much total BS.

Wow!

Maybe you should look deeper into what's really going on over there. You might be surprised. While you're doing that if you choose to, keep in mind that our corporate media might not be telling the whole story and you may need to read articles just for facts and leave out the slanted commentary and look at alternative sources to fill in what the corporate media may be leaving out. Even so, just looking at the situation where Palestinians don't have the same rights as Israelis over there and the constant push to take more and more of their land might give some strong clues that the Israelis aren't the heroes as portrayed in media and probably in your church.

You could start with Israel and the US support or turning a blind eye to the support Hamas was receiving in order to thwart the PLO. https://www.thenation.com/article/world ... red-hamas/

Perhaps take a look at how the Israelis have been treating the Palestinians over the years:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/06/04/isr ... ion-abuses
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/t ... ersecution
https://apnews.com/article/israel-pales ... 7029ae6186
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campa ... apartheid/

Then maybe take a look at what's going on now:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 05046.html
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/top- ... tion-finds