Study shows LDS Church participation increases risk to children from abusers

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Study shows LDS Church participation increases risk to children from abusers

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Credit to DCP and The Hitchens Files for linking to this article in the Deseret News. It contains troubling data about how the Church has facilitated sexual abusers through its programmes where volunteers gain unguarded access to minors (think Bishops, Scout Leaders, Youth Leaders etc).
To the extent any community has allowed isolated access to children historically, this has sadly proven to raise the risk of victimization. That includes abuse connected with “unguarded access to children” by religious leaders, “unsupervised coaches,” rogue law enforcement, predator physicians, leaders of boys and girls’ clubs and other places where perpetrators can seek out “volunteer work with organizations through which they can meet children.”

One study of 41 serial perpetrators found that 57% reported having picked their profession either partly or specifically in order to access children. Such privileged, close contact with youth is often taken for granted within special trusted roles — clergy, coach, teacher, mentor, counselor, camp staff and scout leader.
The Church’s response to child sexual abuse has often been to protect the abuser at the expense of the abused. Especially where the abuser was appointed to a position of trust and then abused that trust. The Church has paid millions of dollars to cover up the problem. Safeguards have only ever been reluctantly put in place - it took activists in the UK to force the Church’s hand into increasing safeguarding measures. Which the Church did begrudgingly and only the bare minimum, and only in the UK where the activism took place.

DCP is right to warn members that their Church does not have their back when it comes to protecting their kids. Members need to take it upon themselves to ensure nobody, NOBODY, gets unguarded access to their kids.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
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But...but...but the Mormon Lord is inspiring the selection of bishops, etc. How can it be the Lord would inspire the selection of a pedophile-in-gestation (or known) and give him access to children? Is the Mormon Lord himself a pedophile? Why would the Mormon Lord be behind putting children alone with these pedophiles?
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sock puppet wrote:
Tue Jun 24, 2025 9:46 pm
But...but...but the Mormon Lord is inspiring the selection of bishops, etc. How can it be the Lord would inspire the selection of a pedophile-in-gestation (or known) and give him access to children? Is the Mormon Lord himself a pedophile? Why would the Mormon Lord be behind putting children alone with these pedophiles?
The answer is in the vastness of God or whatever [insert happy Paul Dunn hero stories here or stories about the pioneers and their travails for the faith. The Martin Handcart story is good as always].
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We have not yet heard in this thread some defender of "the faith" yet try running the tried and failed excuse that Mormon Lord is testing us, including bishops, etc. You know, the one that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children, let them be perhaps screwed up psychologically and sexually for life if the bishop fails the test. The one that posits that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children as pawns in order to show the bishop his failings--even though Mormon Lord is supposed to already know them.

In the Old Testament, God intervened last minute to prevent Abraham from slicing up Isaac. Abraham passed the test. Isaac was no doubt traumatized, but at least did not get slain for the sake of one of God's little tests. But why doesn't Mormon Lord intervene to prevent the bishop from sexually molesting the child?

Mormons have got to be a very insecure, gullible people to keep buying the crap the Big 15 Charlatans keep promoting.
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sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:41 pm
We have not yet heard in this thread some defender of "the faith" yet try running the tried and failed excuse that Mormon Lord is testing us, including bishops, etc. You know, the one that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children, let them be perhaps screwed up psychologically and sexually for life if the bishop fails the test. The one that posits that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children as pawns in order to show the bishop his failings--even though Mormon Lord is supposed to already know them.

In the Old Testament, God intervened last minute to prevent Abraham from slicing up Isaac. Abraham passed the test. Isaac was no doubt traumatized, but at least did not get slain for the sake of one of God's little tests. But why doesn't Mormon Lord intervene to prevent the bishop from sexually molesting the child?

Mormons have got to be a very insecure, gullible people to keep buying the crap the Big 15 Charlatans keep promoting.
I'm not seeing the word "agency" anywhere here.

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sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:41 pm
We have not yet heard in this thread some defender of "the faith" yet try running the tried and failed excuse that Mormon Lord is testing us, including bishops, etc. You know, the one that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children, let them be perhaps screwed up psychologically and sexually for life if the bishop fails the test. The one that posits that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children as pawns in order to show the bishop his failings--even though Mormon Lord is supposed to already know them.

In the Old Testament, God intervened last minute to prevent Abraham from slicing up Isaac. Abraham passed the test. Isaac was no doubt traumatized, but at least did not get slain for the sake of one of God's little tests. But why doesn't Mormon Lord intervene to prevent the bishop from sexually molesting the child?

Mormons have got to be a very insecure, gullible people to keep buying the crap the Big 15 Charlatans keep promoting.
We have now…
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:53 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:41 pm
We have not yet heard in this thread some defender of "the faith" yet try running the tried and failed excuse that Mormon Lord is testing us, including bishops, etc. You know, the one that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children, let them be perhaps screwed up psychologically and sexually for life if the bishop fails the test. The one that posits that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children as pawns in order to show the bishop his failings--even though Mormon Lord is supposed to already know them.

In the Old Testament, God intervened last minute to prevent Abraham from slicing up Isaac. Abraham passed the test. Isaac was no doubt traumatized, but at least did not get slain for the sake of one of God's little tests. But why doesn't Mormon Lord intervene to prevent the bishop from sexually molesting the child?

Mormons have got to be a very insecure, gullible people to keep buying the crap the Big 15 Charlatans keep promoting.
I'm not seeing the word "agency" anywhere here.

Regards,
MG
So if your granddaughter gets molested by a sex predator Bishop, because their parents (your kid) allowed them to be alone on a number of occasions where they were groomed, you’re going to pin that on “agency” and “all part of God’s plan”? When you’re all sat around the family dinner table lamenting the tragedy, are you going to say to all your family members “Hey, I’m not hearing the word ‘agency’ from any of you…”?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:58 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:53 pm


I'm not seeing the word "agency" anywhere here.

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MG
So if your granddaughter gets molested by a sex predator Bishop, because their parents (your kid) allowed them to be alone on a number of occasions where they were groomed, you’re going to pin that on “agency” and “all part of God’s plan”? When you’re all sat around the family dinner table lamenting the tragedy, are you going to say to all your family members “Hey, I’m not hearing the word ‘agency’ from any of you…”?
I think that agency does need to be part of the conversation, yes. The some total of ALL the conversation? No.

Where do you think agency enters in on this conversation on this thread and others?

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 6:13 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:58 pm
So if your granddaughter gets molested by a sex predator Bishop, because their parents (your kid) allowed them to be alone on a number of occasions where they were groomed, you’re going to pin that on “agency” and “all part of God’s plan”? When you’re all sat around the family dinner table lamenting the tragedy, are you going to say to all your family members “Hey, I’m not hearing the word ‘agency’ from any of you…”?
I think that agency does need to be part of the conversation, yes. The some total of ALL the conversation? No.

Where do you think agency enters in on this conversation on this thread and others?

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MG
You're a crap grandparent and a soulless jerk if your response to a grandchild being molested by a Bishop is to remind everyone it’s simply a consequence of agency.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 5:53 pm
sock puppet wrote:
Wed Jun 25, 2025 2:41 pm
We have not yet heard in this thread some defender of "the faith" yet try running the tried and failed excuse that Mormon Lord is testing us, including bishops, etc. You know, the one that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children, let them be perhaps screwed up psychologically and sexually for life if the bishop fails the test. The one that posits that Mormon Lord is willing to sacrifice children as pawns in order to show the bishop his failings--even though Mormon Lord is supposed to already know them.

In the Old Testament, God intervened last minute to prevent Abraham from slicing up Isaac. Abraham passed the test. Isaac was no doubt traumatized, but at least did not get slain for the sake of one of God's little tests. But why doesn't Mormon Lord intervene to prevent the bishop from sexually molesting the child?

Mormons have got to be a very insecure, gullible people to keep buying the crap the Big 15 Charlatans keep promoting.
I'm not seeing the word "agency" anywhere here.
Ah, free agency! It's so nice that we all have the right to make choices. Just wondering, however: Are you talking about the right of the children to choose to be molested? Or the right of leaders to choose to molest the children?
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