“I’m gonna live so God can use me”

[MG 2.0]

So you are saying that hymn doesn’t suit your Utah ‘culture’(whatever that means), and that Mormon’s in Africa worship differently to Mormon’s in Utah? Really?

I think that this hymn doesn't naturally fit within the culture of Saints in what has been the traditional make up of the church in North America. Not that it couldn't. In fact, as I've said, I think it would be pretty cool of we could sing this hymn and get behind it and enjoy singing it. Amazing Grace has caught on even though it comes from a different 'religious culture' of early America. What I'm saying is that I think it is great that the hymnal is becoming more international and ecumenical in the songs that we now have the opportunity and sing.

This particular hymn is originally a product/outgrowth of a culture that hasn't been 'the norm' within LDS culture in Utah. I think it will catch on.

You go into the typical Southern Baptist Church and you'll hear 'praise music', a different kind of worship that Latter-day Saints are not used to. Just as if you went into the same service at the Baptist church you may not hear some of the hymns that are included in the LDS hymnal.

Both Christian, both different. Remember the Arby's commercial from years back? Different is GOOD!

If you are a Christian, what types/kinds of music to you use/have in your worship services?

Regards,
MG

Marcus thinks this is trolling. It's not. She is lying. Why is she doing this? Many possibilities? Or just one or two?

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

Do you agree with the lyrics? Do you live so that God can use you?

Yep. Do you? (another question...)

Regards,
Mg

You claim to agree with the idea of living so God can use you, yet refuse to let God use you by living a senior mission. You’re big on talk, tiny on actions. You lack the courage of the convictions you say you have.

[MG 2.0]

Yep. Do you? (another question...)

Regards,
Mg

You claim to agree with the idea of living so God can use you, yet refuse to let God use you by living a senior mission. You’re big on talk, tiny on actions. You lack the courage of the convictions you say you have.

IHQ, I think I will discontinue, for now, talking with you and sock puppet at length. It's unproductive and both of you are defaulting to silly and accusatory language that doesn't benefit anyone and it is a waste of time.

I'm interested in discussions that are not rehashing something that has come before and was a waste of time then. If I see something that is 'new under the sun' I will respond.

Regards,
MG

[I Have Questions]

You claim to agree with the idea of living so God can use you, yet refuse to let God use you by living a senior mission. You’re big on talk, tiny on actions. You lack the courage of the convictions you say you have.

IHQ, I think I will discontinue, for now, talking with you and sock puppet at length. It's unproductive and both of you are defaulting to silly and accusatory language that doesn't benefit anyone and it is a waste of time.

I'm interested in discussions that are not rehashing something that has come before and was a waste of time then. If I see something that is 'new under the sun' I will respond.

Regards,
MG

So you’re NOT going to live so God can use you. Got it.

[MG 2.0]

IHQ, I think I will discontinue, for now, talking with you and sock puppet at length. It's unproductive and both of you are defaulting to silly and accusatory language that doesn't benefit anyone and it is a waste of time.

I'm interested in discussions that are not rehashing something that has come before and was a waste of time then. If I see something that is 'new under the sun' I will respond.

Regards,
MG

So you’re NOT going to live so God can use you. Got it.

Wrong.

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

Do you agree with the lyrics? Do you live so that God can use you?

Interesting question, given this really just seems to be another attempt to follow other Christian denominations. In a reddit discussion, it was pointed out that

This spiritual has been in many other church hymnals for decades. It’s just another example of Mormonism co-opting a well-loved mainstream Christian song as their own to pretend like they’ve been mainstream all along...
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... n/mz9vjky/

Plus it's in the public domain so they don't have to pay anything, which fits the LDS church habit of hoarding. This is in considerable contrast to what I've read about how several other churches are showing respect as they sing spirituals in their worship. Many have an extra collection when a spiritual ID used, and donate it to a worthy cause, as a way to acknowledge that the original singers and creators of these spirituals don't get royalties or even compensation, typically, even though their work is widely used. One congregation donates these collected 'royalties' to a non-profit that benefits young and upcoming black musicians.

[I Have Questions]

So you’re NOT going to live so God can use you. Got it.

Wrong.

Regards,
MG

I’m right. Or have you now put your papers in for a senior mission?

[I Have Questions]

Do you agree with the lyrics? Do you live so that God can use you?

Interesting question, given this really just seems to be another attempt to follow other Christian denominations. In a reddit discussion, it was pointed out that

This spiritual has been in many other church hymnals for decades. It’s just another example of Mormonism co-opting a well-loved mainstream Christian song as their own to pretend like they’ve been mainstream all along...
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... n/mz9vjky/

Plus it's in the public domain so they don't have to pay anything, which fits the LDS church habit of hoarding. This is in considerable contrast to what I've read about how several other churches are showing respect as they sing spirituals in their worship. Many have an extra collection when a spiritual ID used, and donate it to a worthy cause, as a way to acknowledge that the original singers and creators of these spirituals don't get royalties or even compensation, typically, even though their work is widely used. One congregation donates these collected 'royalties' to a non-profit that benefits young and upcoming black musicians.

That’s a great idea.

Is this an attempt to make Church less boring? If so, if they sing it without the associated joy, clapping, music etc (and they will sing it without any of that) then it will be reduced to utter dirge.

[MG 2.0]

Wrong.

Regards,
MG

I’m right. Or have you now put your papers in for a senior mission?

No. And I've given an answer to this question previously at greater length. I am not beholden to you as an outsider for my activity and participation in the church and the context/circumstances within which my life is lived.

Please stop taking 'cheap shots'.

As a person of faith I am accountable to God only, not you, not the 'church'.

As it appears that you are not a person of faith (correct me if I'm wrong) I think it is rather cheeky for you to weigh in on this at all. Without the 'charm' component.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

Interesting question, given this really just seems to be another attempt to follow other Christian denominations. In a reddit discussion, it was pointed out that

Plus it's in the public domain so they don't have to pay anything, which fits the LDS church habit of hoarding. This is in considerable contrast to what I've read about how several other churches are showing respect as they sing spirituals in their worship. Many have an extra collection when a spiritual ID used, and donate it to a worthy cause, as a way to acknowledge that the original singers and creators of these spirituals don't get royalties or even compensation, typically, even though their work is widely used. One congregation donates these collected 'royalties' to a non-profit that benefits young and upcoming black musicians.

That’s a great idea.

Is this an attempt to make Church less boring? If so, if they sing it without the associated joy, clapping, music etc (and they will sing it without any of that) then it will be reduced to utter dirge.

I think the African Saints and those with a similar cultural/religious background will not be susceptible to the 'dirge-ing' the hymn to pieces.

I'm hoping that in a future General Conference some of the saints that have a Pentecostal/Evangelical cultural and religious background and are grounded in "praise music" will be invited to sing.

Now that this hymn is in the hymnbook I think this would be more likely. In some of the dance/music/singing cultural events that have been held at the Conference Center over the last few years there has been a positive movement in this area. The recognition that other cultures have something to offer that everyone can benefit from.

And clap or stamp feet in response to the 'feel' of the music. It's awesome!

A few years ago I really got into the music if a group called "Jesus Culture". The drummer was fantastic (I'm a drummer), and I LOVED the music! The lead singer...a woman...was out of this world (voice and range, etc.). Praise music. Good stuff. If you haven't tried listening to it you might like it depending on your tastes.

Give it a go...even if you're not a Christian. Again, if you are a Christian, I apologize for thinking that maybe you're not. You could clarify that for us so that there isn't a question about it one way or the other.

Regards,
MG