Church previously denied a John Taylor revelation on polygamy now admits it

[sock puppet]

I think where some folks get themselves in a quandary is when they find something that doesn't make sense completely...and they let that supersede all the things that God has revealed and/or do make sense...and they find themselves doing a whole lot of second guessing.

To the point that they give up on God.

Regards,
MG

Can't give up on something that never was.

[MG 2.0]

I think where some folks get themselves in a quandary is when they find something that doesn't make sense completely...and they let that supersede all the things that God has revealed and/or do make sense...and they find themselves doing a whole lot of second guessing.

To the point that they give up on God.

Regards,
MG

Can't give up on something that never was.

Hubris. To think that you are the most powerful thing in the universe.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

I’m new to interacting with LDS as they were until recently, content being peculiar but the more aggressive they get and the more of their documents I read, the less I am convinced that this isn’t just some giant 19th century joke like Scientology.

As you look at the church and its teachings I would simply say that it might be well to take a balanced approach. Primary sources should be the primary source of information in my opinion. That is, the Book of Mormon...what is actually between the covers from beginning to end. The Bible, of course. Sections in the Doctrine and Covenants...and not JUST Section 132. The writings of the prophets found in the Conference Reports. Articles of Faith by James Talmage. Jesus the Christ by James Talmage. Joseph Smith's own story. The Joseph Smith Papers. There are other primary sources that are close to the actual 'heartbeat' of the Restoration and the core doctrines of salvation/exaltation.

Relying on second hand or third hand sourcing...and God forbid, message boards...to get your information and/or have an experience with the Spirit of God is a fool's errand.

My opinion, anyway. Other's will disagree.

If you are seeing the CofJCofLDS as being on par with Scientology, you haven't given the church ANYWHERE near a fair shot.

Attend a few Sacrament Meetings. Meet the members. Talk to a leader or two. Attend Gospel Doctrine class at an LDS church on any given Sunday.

Determine, experientially, whether or not we are REALLY are as cooky as Scientologists. If you rely on folks such as those you interact with here you are receiving a terribly jaundiced view of the church, its doctrines, and its members.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

Cooky as scientology? What criteria are you using since you seem to have a baloney detection meter calibrated so that scientology sets it off? At the heart of Mormonism and all of its apologetics is faith. You have sharpened your no true Scotsman skills and apparently have perfected the skepticism and critical analysis to such a high degree you can swat down any faith from an outsiders view....except for Mormonism.

[MG 2.0]

Cooky as scientology? What criteria are you using since you seem to have a baloney detection meter calibrated so that scientology sets it off?

I'm not going to go through the list. Watch a couple of Netflix documentaries to get you feet wet. The folks that run this scam are bonkers.

At the heart of Mormonism and all of its apologetics is faith.

Yes, but not dumb faith. I would suggest that Scientology promotes 'dumb faith'.

You have sharpened your no true Scotsman skills and apparently have perfected the skepticism and critical analysis to such a high degree you can swat down any faith from an outsiders view....except for Mormonism.

Although, it must be said, that if the CofJCofLDS is 'true' and I find myself in it as a BIC member that doesn't, by association, prove that the truth claims of this ONE church are not true.

Regards,
MG

[Rivendale]

Take some time and listen/read critical analysis by Vogel , Bagley, Quinn, or Brody because they paint a picture of Mormonism as ultra bonkers on steroids. I am not going to take the time to point out why a 19th century swinger club gained a foothold because of isolation and shared delusions because it is self evident.

[malkie]

Cooky as scientology? What criteria are you using since you seem to have a baloney detection meter calibrated so that scientology sets it off? At the heart of Mormonism and all of its apologetics is faith. You have sharpened your no true Scotsman skills and apparently have perfected the skepticism and critical analysis to such a high degree you can swat down any faith from an outsiders view....except for Mormonism.

I'm a true Scotsman, and I approve this message

[bill4long]

If they are, maybe they could ask Jesus where Zarahemla and Cumorah are located.

One thing for sure. Jesus, if He is God...knows the truth of the matter. I'm good with that.

Apparently, you're not?

Regards,
MG

I have no problem with Jesus, if he exists. The mockery is directed at those pretender prophet seers and revelators in Salt Lake City who are so clueless about their own religion that they have to rely on the nincompoopery of Mormon apologists.

Come on, Rusty, ask your buddy Jesus where Zarahemla is.

[I Have Questions]

I’m new to interacting with LDS as they were until recently, content being peculiar but the more aggressive they get and the more of their documents I read, the less I am convinced that this isn’t just some giant 19th century joke like Scientology.

As you look at the church and its teachings I would simply say that it might be well to take a balanced approach. Primary sources should be the primary source of information in my opinion. That is, the Book of Mormon...what is actually between the covers from beginning to end. The Bible, of course. Sections in the Doctrine and Covenants...and not JUST Section 132. The writings of the prophets found in the Conference Reports. Articles of Faith by James Talmage. Jesus the Christ by James Talmage. Joseph Smith's own story. The Joseph Smith Papers. There are other primary sources that are close to the actual 'heartbeat' of the Restoration and the core doctrines of salvation/exaltation.

Relying on second hand or third hand sourcing...and God forbid, message boards...to get your information and/or have an experience with the Spirit of God is a fool's errand.

My opinion, anyway. Other's will disagree.

If you are seeing the CofJCofLDS as being on par with Scientology, you haven't given the church ANYWHERE near a fair shot.

Attend a few Sacrament Meetings. Meet the members. Talk to a leader or two. Attend Gospel Doctrine class at an LDS church on any given Sunday.

Determine, experientially, whether or not we are REALLY are as cooky as Scientologists. If you rely on folks such as those you interact with here you are receiving a terribly jaundiced view of the church, its doctrines, and its members.

Regards,
MG

Hmmm, on that basis MG, you must have; met some scientologists, talked to a few scientology leaders, attended some scientology meetings, and participated in some auditing sessions. Otherwise YOUR assertion that Scientology and Mormonism aren't equally cookie fails YOUR OWN criteria for making that assessment and giving Scientology a fair shot.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I think you haven't done those things. You do not practice what you preach.

[I Have Questions]

One thing for sure. Jesus, if He is God...knows the truth of the matter. I'm good with that.

Apparently, you're not?

Regards,
MG

Well

1. Your Prophets and Apostles and Standard Works say Jesus is one of the three primary gods of this world. So he should know.

2. In order to show the entire religion of Christianity was wrong and truly bring unity to His church? Why wouldn’t he do this?

It's a bit more than that.

The Mormon Prophet claims to be the only person on earth through whom God speaks. So when John Taylor recorded that revelation about polygamy, that was (according to Mormons) God speaking, and all his Apostle colleagues at the time decided they knew best and ignored it. So of even the Apostles don't quite buy that when the Prophet speaks it's actually God, then why should anyone else? Nelson himself announced a 'revelation' and then embarrassingly reversed it a few months later.

In order to show Christianity, or even the world, that Mormonism was actually what it claims to be - the only Church with a direct line to God, the only Church with an actual Prophet, then it would show consistently high morale behaviour - institutionally. It would show that it had additional knowledge and guidance about future world events and worldly things that the people of the world do not yet know. It fails to meet those criteria. In fact, draw up any list of 'hallmarks of a religious institution that was led by God' and the SLC LDS Church will fail the test.